Reply With Quote
2007 Turning Point--Game 4
2008 Turning Point--Game 4?
You ing idiot. Thunder Dan said "that was so 2006" and you said "so" and my response to that was Lebron > Detroit Pistons, which was a reference to game 5 in 2007, which had happened more recently, but oviously didnt get it as you said you had.
And if the Cavaliers played a little better, the games wouldn't have been just margins of few points as you said they were. They would have been larger. Your argument works both for you and against you. Fail.
I never said they relied on speed and athleticism. Where did I ever say that? the only thing I said is that speedy and athletic teams give them fits, especially as they are older and slower than in the past. Fail.
also, their team now relies on the jumpshot too much, which is the real reason they havent advanced the past 2 years to the finals. sure they have always been more of a jumpshooting team, but they used to take it to the hole a lot more in the past, and Rasheed used to post up more often as well. plus their defense was far superior back then, so they could get away with stagnating offenses more often than they can now. without Ben Wallace in the middle, their defense has clearly regressed.
Let me finish that "eh" for you... beat the Pistons and got to the Finals.
Never said the team was great. I said Lebron was great, thus giving them a chance. A very good chance at that. That's how ing good he is. And enough with the "coulda woulda" BS. If Lebron was shooting a little better they could have already swept Boston. Fact is, its 2-2. Fail.
And you have said it about 289 times in this thread. I got the point, and I have agreed with you. But at the same time, Lebron can overcome his ty team and lead them to victory.
Is that really what you are saying? First you say "Lebron is great, but his team sucks, so that is why they likely wont win" and now you are agreeing with my point that "Lebron is great, but his team sucks, but hes so good that they will still beat the Pistons"? Is that what you are saying? Fail.
2007 Turning Point--Game 4
2008 Turning Point--Game 4?
Here ya go...
NO REGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE!!!
BTW...Pistons will win the East...book THAT!!!
Actually, March 19 happened even more recently when LeBron went 4-for-17 from the field for 13 points in a Cavaliers loss with his rebuilt team of "new acquisitions." I could have easily pointed to that last game LeBron faced the Pistons. It's not about last year's playoffs. It's about this year's Pistons versus this year's Cavaliers.
And, you resort to name-calling and I'm the one who gets butt hurt?
LOL. I haven't been discrediting the Cavaliers beating the Pistons last year. All I've been saying is that each of the first five games came down to the final few possessions. That's not enough to say the Cavs winning in 6 completely throws out the previous year. It's not like the Cavs have owned the Pistons since. We'll have to wait to see what's proven if the two meet in the ECF. But, last year's Cavs win in the ECF doesn't mean the Cavs have figured out the Pistons or that the Pistons can no longer beat the Cavs in a playoff series.And if the Cavaliers played a little better, the games wouldn't have been just margins of few points as you said they were. They would have been larger. Your argument works both for you and against you. Fail.
You said they look older and slower. My point only was to say they never relied on speed and athleticism anyway. So, it's pretty much a moot point. And, sure young, quick, athletic teams give them problems. Same for the Spurs and Celtics. But, that doesn't mean the Pistons can't beat young, athletic teams. They did so in the first round.I never said they relied on speed and athleticism. Where did I ever say that? the only thing I said is that speedy and athletic teams give them fits, especially as they are older and slower than in the past. Fail.
So far this playoffs, the Pistons have relied much less on the three pointer and Rasheed has played down on the block more. The defense is not the same without Ben Wallace but was still the best in the league this year. And, in the playoffs, they are the third best defense after Boston and Cleveland. Regression, probably. To the point of detriment, not even close.also, their team now relies on the jumpshot too much, which is the real reason they havent advanced the past 2 years to the finals. sure they have always been more of a jumpshooting team, but they used to take it to the hole a lot more in the past, and Rasheed used to post up more often as well. plus their defense was far superior back then, so they could get away with stagnating offenses more often than they can now. without Ben Wallace in the middle, their defense has clearly regressed.
Yes. And, this year's Cavaliers team is not the same Cavaliers team as last year. And, the team around LeBron right now is eh.Let me finish that "eh" for you... beat the Pistons and got to the Finals.
There is no coulda woulda in 25% FG shooting for arguably the best player in the league.Never said the team was great. I said Lebron was great, thus giving them a chance. A very good chance at that. That's how ing good he is. And enough with the "coulda woulda" BS. If Lebron was shooting a little better they could have already swept Boston. Fact is, its 2-2. Fail.
Sometimes. Otherwise he would have already hoisted the trophy last year. As great as he is, he and his team are more than beatable.And you have said it about 289 times in this thread. I got the point, and I have agreed with you. But at the same time, Lebron can overcome his ty team and lead them to victory.
I said LeBron is great and his team sucks. The Cavaliers are capable of beating the Pistons in a 7 game series. If the two teams meet, I don't believe they will.Is that really what you are saying? First you say "Lebron is great, but his team sucks, so that is why they likely wont win" and now you are agreeing with my point that "Lebron is great, but his team sucks, but hes so good that they will still beat the Pistons"? Is that what you are saying? Fail.
You acknowledged that the Pistons are the better team. And, LeBron is awesome. In that vein, you haven't been disagreeing with me.
Okay, if you wanna be even more of a about things, then as far as I'm concerned, things have changed since then even, and the playoffs are a different animal, so when their series begins, it will be 0-0, so no team has any advantage this year whatsoever. happy now, head?
Yes.
Yes. It does.
Never said they can't. I simply said they are older and slower. If you don't think that being older and slower on defense makes a difference, then I don't know what to tell you. And of course they beat the 76ers. They were SUPPOSED to. As skilled as they are, they should have beat them with much more ease, but due to the age and speed factor, they had a harder time than they should have.
Since you love technicalities so much, you are the wrongest mother er on the face of the earth, considering the Celtics held their opponents to a lower FG%, lower 3pt%, less APG, forced more TO's per game, and was a superior rebounding team. The only thing Detroit did better was holding their opponents to .22 less PPG, but a lot is due to the slow offense, as Boston outscored their opponents by almost 3 more PPG than Detroit did.
Facts show that Boston's D >>> Detroit's D.
It is "eh". Last year's team was even more "eh".
Actually there is, considering its extremely rare for him to shoot that poorly. It's another thing for someone to pull a coulda woulda using reasoning that Ben Wallace to go off and average 20 ppg in a series (simply an example, don't think I actually accused you of saying that, because all know how sensitive and butthurt you get over everything). In that case, there is no coulda woulda.
Never said they aren't. Same for the Pistons... to which you would respond, "I never said they aren't either". So WTF is your point here? Fail.
I disagree.
One of my disagreements just took place. The second is that I said they HAVE a better team. Doesn't mean they ARE a better team. The 03-04 Lakers HAD a better squad than the Pistons, but they clearly were not the better team, were they? Lebron is so good that he is capable of taking a team with minimal talent, and beating a team that is one of the most talented in the league, like he did last year. In fact, pretty much every team he has beaten in the playoffs has had superior talent as an entire team, but Lebron was able to overcome it. Gilbert Arenas had guys like Butler and Jamison these 3 years. Vince Carter had Richard Jefferson and Jason Kidd. The Pistons had Billups, Hamilton, Prince, and Rasheed. The second and third best options that Lebron has had is Z, and... well you never really know who the #3 guy is going to be on any given night, as it could be Hughes, Gooden, Wally, etc... one of those guys may step up with the rest would typically suck, but none of them except Wally (who has only had like 20-30 games to gel with the team) is capable of being a true #3 option on any other le contending team... except the Cavaliers. That's how good Lebron is. That is how he makes the Cavaliers a better team than the Pistons, despite the Pistons having better players on the team.
''sit your ass down'' - lebron
BTW...Pistons will win the East...book THAT!!!
bump worthy
Yeah but it was close;
it came down to some dumb plays from Cleveland
Oh well, at least I tried
The Celtics vs. the LeBrons was a very compe ive series.
Yes I agree a compe ively bad series...
You should be banned. Your basketball a en is at the level of Le 's defense.I know they didin't have the most impressive record, but think about it:
- LBJ missed the first games of the season
- Anderson VJ did as well, but because of his ing
- Z missed a lot of games
- Boobie missed a lot of games too
- The big trade has made them 10 times better than last season, and they are the defending East champs.
- That frontline, Z, Wallace, Smith, VJ...lot of people to throw at KG
IF they stay healthy, they'll win the East.
Book it
Hey that looked good.
As I said, it came down to a few dumb plays.
It was really close, it's not like Celts exploded Cleveland, you ing re .
Fail thread.
Not talking about the Celts or how close this series was dumbass. You said they'd win the East. They didn't come close.
They almost beat the Celts bag.
If they did, they would beat the Pistons in the ECF, no ing question
You said they would win the East.
They were eliminated in the second round.
Eliminated in second round ≠ Eastern Conference Champs.
∴ u r a wad
+1
Lefty's had some good predictions but this one was reaching.
Not by too much.
Lefty
Mazel tov.
That's true it was close. The Cavaliers play elite defense but their lack of production on offense keeps showing up.Not by too much.
Lefty
Mazel tov.
Without another guy to lead the Cavs in scoring, the Cavs will always be a good team but a step below the elite. You know that LeBron will always be the leading scorer every playoff game and that just won't win a series.
True. Converse is, w/the superstar and the defensive principles all this team needs is one more guy who can give you 20+ most every night. Like the Lake Show got w/Gasol.
I agree, they just need a 20 point guy (without losing their defensive mentality) to be a #1 team.
Nope.
They need a real offense. Even if the Cavs found an efficient 20 point scorer, that player won't be nearly as productive in an offense that gives LeBron 95% of the decision making. Even when Jordan was on a one-man team, the triangle forced Jordan to share the basketball and let plays run through the system as opposed to giving Jordan the ball in an iso situation every time down.
There has to be more creativity on offense than that. There has to be plays that allow the other players to get involved on offense with more than just catch-and-shoot responsibilities.
Larry Hughes was actually almost a good offensive player before he joined the Cavaliers.
The Cavs need an offense more than they need to upgrade personnel. And, that's sad because the Cavs need to desperately upgrade personnel.
Larry's numbers in Cleveland are right in line w/his career numbers. PPG, shooting PCT, etc. His last year in Washington was the outlier, and he missed a quarter of the season. Like Larry does.
W/the defense, w/LeBron, all this team needs is one more guy who can create his own opportunities.
BTW, that Jordan team won w/dominant perimeter defense more than the triangle.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
