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Yeah, that's what I don't understand. The NBA is stupid for not building in protections for players having to sign with the teams that draft them.
Eve
It's largely out of Holt's hands since the Spurs can only offer him the max rookie contract.
Yeah, that's what I don't understand. The NBA is stupid for not building in protections for players having to sign with the teams that draft them.
Eve
I was joking because it was a typo.
They meant to say he will PLAY in the NBA next season.
when did that happen?
- Mars
this is ridiculous. if you enter the NBA Draft and get drafted, you can't just say "no i don't wanna play anymore". YOU entered the draft, YOU pay the consequences.
- Mars
while it's certainly not unprecedented, the number of guys who have cost themselves money because of injury during their rookie deals is really quite small compared to the number of guys that have played under rookie deals in the league.
it's certainly possible that he could come over and suffer a career altering injury, but it's significantly less likely than anybody on here seems to think.
most of these guys get much more when they first enter the NBA compared to when they first enter Europe.
how long has Splitter been a force for Tau and they are just now offering him bank?
You do know under certain cir stances you're automatically eligible for the draft (i.e. you don't have a saying in whether you're eligible or not), don't you? You know, much like it happened with Luis Scola and a certain Tiago Splitter...
So how would you have it be, if the player doesn't wish to sign with a team he didn't wish to pick him in a draft he didn't mean to enter, the NBA should send a commando and capture him and force him to fulfill his "obligation"?
Seriously, let's cut the crap. Tiago thankfully is glad the Spurs drafted him, and apparently he wishes to play in the NBA, but should he choose different he's entirely en led to do so and he's not breaching any obligation.
Last edited by timvp; 05-18-2008 at 12:46 AM.
He's smart he will go to the NBA.
Ahhh crap... well that's just great.
NBA will need to change the rules to allow NBA teams to match contract offers from International teams once a player is drafted.
no, that's a horrible idea. That would give the leverage to the rookie to play the team the drafted him against his Euro team. A bidding war ensues and next thing you know no more drafting Euros. It's perfect how it is. If a player wants to play in the NBA, he has to come over for rookie scale, and then work for his big pay day.
Do you have any data to back that up? Because I would be very much interested in this. NBA teams have conditioning programs and facilities that are rarely matched in Europe, so it could be the result of this and would be very interesting.
1.- Kinda a true - you can't get drafted if you don't prove yourself playing for cheap in a Euroleague team, which in turn makes the Euro team offer you more when you do. Egg/chicken problem.
2.- Irrelevant
Or get his big paycheck in Europe. As the Euroleague slowly catches up with the NBA in popularity and budget, compe ion is a normal fact of life. Otherwise I agree with you, that would be the wrong solution.
The only solution I see is for the NBA to remain the best league in the world so that people will want to go there, even if it poses a certain risk.
Edit: A well executed Euro expansion of the NBA would also help in that regard.
One year. This year.
Before, he was a prospect, nothing more.
I think that the Splitter situation, in which he will turn down a very good offer to earn less money in the NBA, epitomizes why top notch Western European Clubs are NOT putting any money in their youth teams. And this spills into the whole networl of lesser team.
Why bother investing in home kids (from 12 up) that will be lost to the NBA anyway.
Money-wise it makes no sense whatsoever.
Eventually the spillover of European players going into the NBA will be limited by this lack of investments.
If Splitter wants a NBA career, it would be in his interest to start playing ASAP. That rookie contract cannot be avoided. I'm not sure what kind of salary he's pulling down with Tau right now or would be under a new contract. But if his skills translate to the NBA then he'll make it back and then some after the rookie deal is over.
Scola had plenty of hype and his 2nd round pick status enabled him to negotiate a whopping 3 year and $10 mil contract entering the league after his 15 seasons or whatever with Tau. Yes, that is better than the rookie scale deal Splitter will receive when he enters the NBA, but should Splitter sign this summer then by the time he is Scola's age when he entered the league he would be eligible for something much larger than $10 mil.
I don't believe the Spurs will want Splitter to wait. Not to rehash the Scola melodrama, but I think that after they were able to pick Splitter in last year's draft they decided he was the better fit instead of Scola. I don't believe they would pick Splitter, deal Scola's rights, and then not bring Splitter in at the first available opportunity.
If Splitter signs a three year contract overseas, his 1st round status does not change over here in 2011 (assuming no major change in the CBA).
As a result, he is still limited on an NBA rookie contract (3 yrs/$8-9MM guaranteed) if he stays overseas. Does it make sense any sense to sign a fairly short term contract with Tau and then in three years and still be locked in an NBA rookie contract if he comes over? No.
He stands to make a lot more money if he comes over here now and (assuming he plays well) gets to the second NBA contract. Tau likes to sign guys long term on the relative cheap like they did with Scola. Luis would have made A LOT more money over the course of his basketball career if he had come over here at 22 years of age instead of 27. It wouldn't surprise me if he conveys this to Splitter, who I believe is his best friend. Scola would have had the chance (had he come to the Spurs in 2003 or 2004) to sign two long term NBA contracts for significant money instead of the one he will sign in two years when he becomes a free agent at 30 years of age.
Finally, let's not fool ourselves, the Spurs NEED to get young bigs like Splitter in here now for the 2008 season. I think that message will be sent by the FO. If he is as good as advertised, there will be playing time very soon for him.
Sparky,
Are you a mind reader? Wow! I posted before I got to your message. Great minds think alike.
Kori,
Do you think what happened with the Spurs and Scola will have an effect on Tiago's decision? Although Scola made millions before coming to the NBA, he didn't get to play with the team he wanted to play with or his friends(Fab & Manu).
I don't know how much Splitter wants to play with S.A. but maybe just the thought of the Spurs selling his rights if he signs with Tau may persuade him.
especially if we sell them to a poor team. Manu should go talk to him.
I read somewhere later in this forum that Splitter said he was shopping for a house in S.A. Is it true what the article said? It is in Spanish which I don't read.
Sounds like Tau and the other foreign teams have found they have a edge in competing with the NBA.
They can offer enough extra money to make it hard to turn down. Once players are signed at a higher number--and play for pay at that figure for three years--it will be even harder to take a pay cut to come to the US on a rookie contract.
Good business move.
I´M SORRY BUT IF SPURS WANT´S SPLITTER THEY HAVE TO PAY I´M SURE THAT SPURS HAS A LOT OF WAY´S TO PAY MORE MONEY FOR SPLITTER. TODAY TAU LOST WITH PAMESA AND TIAGO MAKES 23PTOS, 14 REBOUNDS, 3ASSISTANTS AND 31 VALUE!!!!!!!!!! GREATTTTTTTTTTTT BELIVE ME, IF THEY PAY.............THINGS COULD CHANGES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
no, the spurs really CANT pay any more than they are offering, they are restricted by NBA league rules. No matter how long Tiago waits to come to the NBA, he will only ever be able to make as much as the Spurs are offering to begin with.I´M SORRY BUT IF SPURS WANT´S SPLITTER THEY HAVE TO PAY I´M SURE THAT SPURS HAS A LOT OF WAY´S TO PAY MORE MONEY FOR SPLITTER. TODAY TAU LOST WITH PAMESA AND TIAGO MAKES 23PTOS, 14 REBOUNDS, 3ASSISTANTS AND 31 VALUE!!!!!!!!!! GREATTTTTTTTTTTT BELIVE ME, IF THEY PAY.............THINGS COULD CHANGES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is definately a concern for NBA teams come draft time. If your not a lottery pick, you can earn more money in Europe. While European teams continue to beat the US in Internationals and whilst the CBA restricts NBA teams from luring young talented Internationals the Euroleague teams will continue to catch the NBA. Stern should definately be keeping an eye on the Splitter situation and the like of Kosta Koufos who is slipping and likely to sign in Europe rather than his NBA team.
Hey Splitter, think what Scola would be making now and how much bank he'd already have if he and his agent hadn't screwed up and he'd come over when he was 23. Now is your chance. Don't blow it.
but euro and nba contracts are totally diff, when one wants out, the nba you get bought out by the club if your not in their future plans, while euro they force you to buy urself out...
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