I think the pick was set so that Manu could pass across the paint to someone, so that when West turns around to defend, he's face to face with Rob.
Sealing David West with a box out like a rebounding situation would easily have had the same effect of not allowing David West to rotate on defense.
You rarely see a full on back pick on the defender that's guarding the player who's setting the pick.
what a pussy.
"it was cleanup time"
no it wasn't you dumb mother er.all starters were in the game except for Horry
West isn't defending Horry. He's looking right at Manu. Horry sets te screen to prevent a West rotation on what he perceives to be a Manu drive. If he's defending Horry how does he get blindsided?
Yeah that makes sense if Horry knows he's going to pass/shoot. But since the pick is set before Manu leaves his feat then he was more than likely expecting a drive. Setting up to box out in that situation would just leave him out of position and unable to pop out for a shot.
Seriously, anyone who thinks this is anything other than routine has probably never played basketball.
You know what I mean. West is Horry's man on defense.
You generally set picks on defenders who are the primary defender on the ball, not a secondary or double team defender.
Again, my point is that on its face, the pick is just a good foul. I'm talking about questioning Robert Horry's intentions. Sealing West or even putting a hand on him to slow him down would have the same effect. You don't generally see players set picks in that situation.
West is not the primary defender on Manu. Set the pick on the primary defender. Not on the "possible" help defender.
I've played 7 years of organized basketball, coached it. Seriously, look at it objectively.
All I know is that West is facing Manu and is in between Manu and Horry, so there is no way he's doing anything but paying defense on Manu. You set screens in that position all the damn time!
Honestly the only reason this is being discussed is because West crumpled down to the floor like a little and because of what Horry did last year. Somehow, if the game had been tied at that point, I really really really doubt West crumples and stays down like that.
Dude! Watch the replay! Pargo is outside of Manu and the only thing standing between Manu and the basket is West. Why doesn't it make sense to set a screen on West there?
He's the primary defender once Pargo falls behind.
What a bucket of crap. Horry's "intent" was to set a "hard" screen. This type of play happens scores of times in any NBA game, and in most well played basketball games of any level.
Almost every past player with a mic has spoken out about the play being a clean, many suggesting a foul should not/would not have been called if not for West flopping in pain. Only little minded twits who don't know the game buy into this crying garbage. If West did not jump, the contact from Horry's screen is not where it caused him pain.
It is a huge laugh at you and the other fools to think you can read Horry's mind to his intent, and more of a laugh that you think Horry could read the mind of both the passer who threw the ball high, and West's mind that he would jump to get a high pass.
Jam, watch the whole play develop again:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=igakZNkS9cs
Horry slips a screen and West stays defending Manu. At this point Horry sets up a back screen to free Manu of West but Manu instead of driving ops to past and leaves his feet while West does the same thing. Horry is trying to get Manu to the hole and nothing more.
the whole thing has a "Wayne's World" feel to it...
like they shot this in his mother's basement.
I don't know if anyone else has handled this, but you have gone on with this BS for a while. With you being a Piston's fan, my first assumption would be that you know the game. But seeing you go defending your absurd position over and over, I must conclude your knowledge of hoops is lacking.
In the Spurs offense, and in fact in any basketball offense that has players capible of getting by their man one on one, this type of screen is set by an interior player on the player guarding him several times a game. It keeps the secondary defender from picking up the player driving the lane. When a player on offense can block out his defender from becomming secondary support, the lane to the hoop for players like Manu and Parker can become wide open as we seen quite often.
It is not the picking man's control if the pick is hard, as that determination will fall on the one running into or avoiding the screen's hand. As long as the screen is set where the offensive player is still in his defensive stance before contact, it is not his fault, or concern if the one running into the pick feels pain. Now STFU and play ball!
Man JamStone you are totally missing the boat on this one. Beyond what MannyIsGod has said if you look at Horry he's totally focused on West and doesn't ever see that Manu has elected to throw a pass across court rather than drive until the pass is half way across the court.
Seriously, he's always posting their videos. He's a confirmed tyttie.
They cover sports too? When do we get the TYT weather report?
I feel like I've just wasted five minutes of my life.
I watched the video. And, I see your point to an extent.
You also stated earlier that Horry sets the pick before Manu jumps up to pass the ball. Horry also sets the pick before the point where Pargo could not have recovered from being beat.
It's not a pick on a primary defender.
You can think I'm biased or whatever. I simply stated from jumpstreet that I question Horry's intentions. I'm not saying it's beyond a doubt dirty. I'm simply questioning it.
Fair enough.
So you really think Pargo coulda recovered on a driving Ginobili?
If West isnt there Manu scores 19.5 outta 20 times with a quirky layup
That crack you smoked must be some good . WHy in the would Horry set a pick on Pargo if he was already beaten
Pargo was already beaten which means he is not the primary defender anymore. Which makes West the defender and the pick a very good play by Robert Horry. It was not even a foul.
Bad, blind take. Not much more to it.
Easy basketball play. When you're down low on the block and the guy defending you helps to guard a slasher, roll to the basket, get an easy lay-up or dunk.
You rarely if ever see a player pick the person that is guarding him. It's not about Pargo getting beat. It's about how curious it is to set a pick on your defender in that situation when 99% of the time, that is a roll to the basket for a lay-up.
"curious" things happen in basketball. welcome to the NBA.
for example, that play in 2006 where Manu fouled Dirk when Spurs had 3pt lead. yeah that's curious. Do you think Manu intended it? nope.
you can watch ANY play in basketball and you will always find a few "curious"/unplaned/out of textbook things going on.
btw, watch Oberto very closely in game 7. He does that type of pick when Tony or Manu penetrate very ofted. A pick on the shot blocker, makes perfect sense to me.
o but you would like him on your team
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