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Only when Americans are more terrified will we be able to counter terrorism.
Got it.
I'm surprised that there isn't a thread about this already. I couldn't find a website that would appease everybody, so I guess I'll just link to the Huffington Post and Alex Jones (no surprise - given the subject, my right wing choices were bascially: 1. Jones and 2. nobody).
Rumsfeld on 2006 Election: "The Correction For That... Is An Attack"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_101537.html
An ongoing exploration of the do ents related to the Pentagon's "message force multipliers" program has unearthed a clip of former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld suggesting that America, having voted the Democrats back into Congressional power, could benefit from suffering another terrorist attack, and doing so in the presence of the very same military analysts who went on to provide commentary and analysis of the Iraq War.
As do ented by Newsvine, it all went down at a valedictory luncheon Rumsfeld hosted for those analysts on December 12, 2006. Many of the "message force multipliers" named in the original New York Times piece were in attendance, including David L. Grange, Donald W. Sheppard, James Marks, Rick Francona, Wayne Downing, and Robert H. Scales, Jr. They were treated to an extraordinary conversation (Newsvine has highlights, the hour-long clip of which can be found here) with Rumsfeld, that included many jaw-dropping moments, such as Rumsfeld admitting that in Iraq, the U.S. "can't lose militarily, but...can't win by military means alone," an agreement that Iraq could use a Syngman Rhee-type dictator (because that's what democracy smells like!), and a lengthy passage where Rumsfeld jokingly offers a bottle of champagne to anyone who could kill Moqtada al Sadr. You sure don't see too many people joking on al Sadr these days!
But by far the most extraordinary part of this luncheon is the antipathy the gathered members exhibit toward the American people for having the temerity to vote the Democrats back into power. When Lt. Gen. Michael DeLong bemoans the lack of "sympathetic ears" on Capitol Hill, Rumsfeld offers that the American people lack "the maturity to recognize the seriousness of the threats." What's to be done? According to Rumsfeld, "The correction for that, I suppose, is [another] attack."
DELONG: Politically, what are the challenges because you're not going to have a lot of sympathetic ears up there.
RUMSFELD: That's what I was just going to say. This President's pretty much a victim of success. We haven't had an attack in five years. The perception of the threat is so low in this society that it's not surprising that the behavior pattern reflects a low threat assessment. The same thing's in Europe, there's a low threat perception. The correction for that, I suppose, is an attack. And when that happens, then everyone gets energized for another [inaudible] and it's a shame we don't have the maturity to recognize the seriousness of the threats...the lethality, the carnage, that can be imposed on our society is so real and so present and so serious that you'd think we'd be able to understand it, but as a society, the longer you get away from 9/11, the less...the less...
Less than a week ago, the Department of Defense did a do ent dump on their program to use retired military analysts as surrogates on network and cable news to pimp the administration line on the Iraq War - something we now know they did on at least 4,500 occasions. Over at TalkingPointsMemo, a thread has been opened for those who want to sift through the material and highlight key discoveries.
So far, dedicated TPM readers have unearthed a number of noteworthy finds, of which this audio recording of this luncheon is perhaps the most astounding.
Rumsfeld On Tape: Terror Attack Could Restore Neo-Con Agenda
http://www.jonesreport.com/article/0...feld_tape.html
Shocking excerpts of confidential recordings recently released under the Freedom of Information Act feature former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld talking with top military analysts about how a flagging Neo-Con political agenda could be successfully restored with the aid of another terrorist attack on America.
The tape also includes a conversation where Rumsfeld and the military analysts agree on the possible necessity of installing a brutal dictator in Iraq to oversee U.S. interests.
The tapes were released as part of the investigation into the Pentagon's "message force multipliers" program in which top military analysts were hired to propagandize for the Iraq war in the corporate media.
In attendance at the valedictory luncheon Rumsfeld hosted on December 12, 2006 were David L. Grange, Donald W. Sheppard, James Marks, Rick Francona, Wayne Downing, and Robert H. Scales, Jr. among others.
The most extraordinary exchange takes place when Lt. Gen. Michael DeLong bemoans shrinking political support for Neo-Con war plans on Capitol Hill and suggests that sympathy for the Bush administration's agenda will only be achieved after a new terror attack.
Rumsfeld agrees that the psychological impact of 9/11 is wearing off and the "behavior pattern" of citizens in both the U.S. and Europe suggests that they are unconcerned about the threat of terror.
DELONG: Politically, what are the challenges because you're not going to have a lot of sympathetic ears up there until it [a terror attack] happens.
RUMSFELD: That's what I was just going to say. This President's pretty much a victim of success. We haven't had an attack in five years. The perception of the threat is so low in this society that it's not surprising that the behavior pattern reflects a low threat assessment. The same thing's in Europe, there's a low threat perception. The correction for that, I suppose, is an attack. And when that happens, then everyone gets energized for another [inaudible] and it's a shame we don't have the maturity to recognize the seriousness of the threats...the lethality, the carnage, that can be imposed on our society is so real and so present and so serious that you'd think we'd be able to understand it, but as a society, the longer you get away from 9/11, the less...the less...
Click here for the audio clip.
In another exchange, after assuring that comments are "off the record," Rumsfeld and one of the military analysts agree that Iraq could use a "Syngman Rhee" to take control of Iraq. Syngman Rhee was the ruthless authoritarian dictator of South Korea from after World War II through the Korean War to 1960. If the invasion of Iraq was about liberating the Iraqis from a tyrant in the form of Saddam Hussein why is Rumsfeld talking about installing an even more brutal dictator?
Click here for the audio clip. Newsvine has the recording in full.
Rumsfeld's admission that the correction for dwindling support of the Neo-Con imperial crusade is another terror attack is perhaps the most startling and blatant indication that 9/11 was an inside job.
How much more evidence do we need to confirm that the Neo-Con hierarchy in control of the U.S. government are instigating and exploiting terror in the pursuit of their own domestic and geopolitical agenda?
As Jerry Mazza writes today, "In the seven years since the day, exhaustive and still growing evidence proves beyond any reasonable doubt that the US government, spearheaded by the Bush administration, planned, orchestrated and executed the 9/11 false flag operation. As openly advocated by wide swaths of elites, from the Project for the New American Century (PNAC), of which Rumsfeld has been a member, to the likes of Zbigniew Brzezinski (in his The Grand Chessboard), only an attack “on the order of Pearl Harbor” would, in Brzezinski’s words, cause the American people to support an “imperial mobilization,” and a world war."
Placing the new evidence against previously revealed 9/11-related acts on the part of Rumsfeld, his guilt is overt and obvious. Recall that it was Rumsfeld who enthusiastically penned the "Go Massive" memo, gleefully declaring the Bush administration finally had the green light to kill: “Not only UBL (Usama bin Laden). Go massive. Sweep it all up. Things related and not.”
The longing for a new terror attack to corral the masses back behind the Neo-Con agenda is a shared fetish amongst Neo-Cons, policy wonks and academics alike.
In August last year Philadelphia Daily News columnist Stu Bykofsky openly called for "another 9/11" that "would help America" restore a "community of outrage and national resolve".
Lt.-Col. Doug Delaney, chair of the war studies program at the Royal Military College in Kingston, Ontario, told the Toronto Star last July that "The key to bolstering Western resolve is another terrorist attack like 9/11 or the London transit bombings of two years ago."
The same sentiment was also explicitly expressed in a 2005 GOP memo, which yearned for new attacks that would "validate" the President's war on terror and "restore his image as a leader of the American people."
Also in July 2007, former Republican Senator Rick Santorum suggested that a series of "unfortunate events," namely terrorist attacks, will occur within the next year and change American citizen's perception of the war.
And the month before that, the new chairman of the Arkansas Republican Party Dennis Milligan said that there needed to be more attacks on American soil for President Bush to regain popular approval.
Comments posted on the left-wing Huffington Post website in response to the Rumsfeld tape indicate that even some of the most hardcore conspiracy debunkers have had their beliefs shaken to the core by the former Defense Secretary's admission.
"I have been a very staunch opponent of conspiracy theories," writes one, "but to hear the man most responsible for stopping foreign threats to American lives musing that a successful attack on the USA is somehow a "cure" for us... it almost makes me want to make a tinfoil hat with the nuts I made fun of."
Only when Americans are more terrified will we be able to counter terrorism.
Got it.
stupid ron paul nuts at their finest
makes since. the banjo picking version of Pavlov's dog needs to hear another bell.
Sup Brad....Where ya been?
Don't shoot the messenger.
The Pentagon hired military analysts for Iraq war propaganda, Rumsfeld talked about how Iraq could use a dictator right about now, and he wrote a memo saying that 9/11 gave them a reason to go after: “Not only UBL (Usama bin Laden). Go massive. Sweep it all up. Things related and not.” And he suggested that it would take another terror attack to remind us that we need to stop AQ from carrying out terror attacks. Um, okay...???
I took a posting hiatus for a bit; it's that 40 days and 40 nights time of the year.
That clip of Bush joking about the WMDs (are they over there, under here?) is just sickening.
ACTUAL QOUTE,
PLUS TYPICAL CYNICAL BAG REACTION,
EQUALS NATION TOO STUPID TO LEARN FROM THE PAST.
"This President's pretty much a victim of success"
... starting on 9/12. 9/11 is all on dubya's responsibility.
How many attacks have been attempted that dubya has thwarted? The Miami guys?
If no attacks attempted, then dubya has done all, succeeded at nothing.
Rumsfeld and all of them should be in prison.
Ignignokt thinks america will be annihilated by terrorists, so there's at least one right thinking American with a "mature" assessment that Rummy doesn't have to worry about.
You "quoted" Boutons, who was talking about domestic terrroism, not israel, -for-brains.
Anyone surprised?
No?
Offended? Pissed? Apathetic?
Maybe?
Here's a real Hindenburg:
Your government is corrupt. They grow and maintain power strictly on your willingness to empower them exponentially.
This is true in any country, the world over, from the first civilization to the last in the annals of history.
Going to do something about it? Going to "change the world" are we?
No. I didnt think so. If it were as easy as removing one pawn on the chessboard, it would have been done already. But it isnt. This the systemic disease of human nature.
"Give the monkeys freewill, and this what they choose.
Monkey killing monkey over pieces of the ground."
To be clear, Im just as enraged as others in the flippant manner they speak of those wretched, do-nothings known as the American and European people.
But until an army is raised and the goal is clear, Im just going to enjoy the show.
i didn't qoute boutons moron. Boutons didn't say "Thank you conservatives for...."
RIF
.
what did rummy say that was out of line?
RIF
...if you're going to pull the "put words in others mouth" quote, you should expect other people to assume you are addressing the same topic being spoken about. Nobody in this thread mentioned anything about Israel. RIF indeed, -for-brains.
Last edited by PixelPusher; 05-19-2008 at 07:17 PM.
On top of lacking in reading comprehension, not having your own ideas other than the blogs you rip, you can't even understand sarcasm. Doesn't Yahoo have a political forum for kids to talk about the cute feel good things like
"saving the pandas", "acid rain", and meaty issues like "free soda machines for everyone", where you could go and participate with intellects of your league?
, its no laughing matter anymore. You need to go to a psych ward to get cured.
Check yourself in, off-topic, pull-it-out-of-your-ass references are your bag, not mine.
boutons is jewish.
That is what Gtown meant when he said "my people".
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