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that was a funny slide show. especially when he used the forklift. when his home was exposed as not being global friendly right after his slide show was released that totally made me think he doesn't practice what he was preaches. i can't believe the jackass won a nobel peace prize.
Who the gives a about what his home is like.
He offered empirical proof as to what's been happening.
If you want to have a discussion as to how energy efficient his house is, start another thread.
Stout, I respect your biblical knowledge, but this is about our climate getting increasingly worse. To say it's just weather is a bit of a stretch.
so therefore it must not be important because he doesn't take action in his own life.
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Come on dude, it's just plain stupid to think that over 100 years of burning coal, oil and gas would create dangerous emissions that would change the chemical balance of the atmosphere and create a higher global average temperature, which in turn melts glaciers at both poles and dumps more water in our oceans.
That's just a ridiculous way of thinking. ing liberals.
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My point is that currently, Meteorologists are unable to accurately predict a forecast beyond a 3 day cycle, and even that is worthless at times. I've taken courses in advanced Meteorology in college, and the first thing that the Professor told us when we reached the prediction section (as opposed to analysis of past/current weather) is that forecast models for more than 4-5 days out are completely inept. We simply do not have the ability to account for the exhaustive number of variables in the atmosphere.
However, this group of people (yes, I'm aware that climatology is different than meteorology, but they are inter-related) are able to ascertain the current state of the entire planet based on a scant amount of weather data... we haven't even had reliable anemometers for more than 80 years! Consider that: A hundred and fifty years ago, we couldn't even measure wind speed with a high degree of accuracy. To think we can forecast the future model of the planet (~6,000,000,000 years old) based on that kind of "scientific evidence" would be like saying we have two polymers and a few nucleotides, so from that we can guess what the rest of the DNA strand is going to be composed of.
Perhaps I'm just a skeptic, but I need at least a few hundred years of data before I'm remotely convinced that we're directly impacting anything. ~90 years of truly reliable weather records is nowhere close.
For those of you who haven't done so, I'd recommend reading "State of Fear" by Michael Crichton. He put a ton of research into the novel, most of which is included in the back of the book.
Although he recommends that we do all we can to protect the earth and its resources, his ultimate conclusion is that global warming is not influenced significantly by anything man is doing on earth, and that we are, in fact, soon (within the next 10,000 years or so) to be in another ice age.
Having looked at both sides of the argument myself, I tend to side with Mr. Crichton.
hmmm. show me a vegan that eats red meat and i'll go with your logic
Mars and Jupiter have been warming too. Must be a huge carbon footprint on those planets.
My problem is, better to believe in it and have it not be true than the other way around. Some people are just unwilling to do the simplest things, like drive less. I gave a presentation on global warming once, and many people were victims of the diseased thinking "I won't make a difference...I'm just one person."
! When did they get MTV and Hummers!?!?
You can still support the idea of being kind to the environment without predicting Armageddon. They are not mutually inclusive terms.
The S yfication of the U.S.
likely explains why the Club is so popular too....
Of all the stupid reasons to dismiss global climate change this has to be the most ignorant....
Sorry. I'll go put on my tinfoil hat now.
no problem....it's likely the hair dye.....
You know, unless solar output has increased by any measurable percentage in the last few centuries. You are aware that the Sun is the single greatest cause of weather and climate on this planet, right? If it suddenly outputs even a FRACTION less than it is now, this global warming hypothesis falls into the trash can and people start forecasting the impending doom of the next ice age. Again.
There's no doubt in my mind that climate change is an inevitable part of the fact we inhabit a big ol' rock that is inherently unstable and subject to long term change. It's the nature of the beast. But to completely dismiss the fact that a) we humans are living in such a way that quickens that change, and b) we could be living in such a way that makes our impact less dramatic than it is currently is more than a little ignorant.
Put a fish in a tank, and it's going to in the water. Allow that fish the ability to take more food than it needs, and it's going to even more. Either way the result is water that gets cloudy a lot faster than it would have with no fish, but we still have some level of control over how filthy it gets and how quickly it happens.
Myth......solar radiation has been in decline, but temps continue to increase..
One paper by Mike Lockwood and Claus Fröhlich found no relation between global warming and solar radiation since 1985, whether through variations in solar output or variations in cosmic rays.[49] A 2007 paper found that in the last 20 years there has been no significant link between changes in cosmic rays coming to Earth and cloudiness and temperature.
Source: Wikipedia
True. What would being kind to the environment entail?! When did they get MTV and Hummers!?!?
You can still support the idea of being kind to the environment without predicting Armageddon. They are not mutually inclusive terms.
Thanks for the rebuke, but I'd prefer a rebuttal.Of all the stupid reasons to dismiss global climate change this has to be the most ignorant....
ROFLScience is not a political thing so just leave it at that.
I don't know what the problem is both those places look a thousand times better now than before. Even that red XGlobal warming is already effecting the earth..
A lot of people in the Western U.S. states (and other parts of the world, especially China) depend on snowfall to fill water reservoirs for farming, drinking, etc...in the next few years (yes, in our lifetimes) we could see this water resource depleted as avg. global temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere increase and that is when the real starts...
Climate is a long-term phenomenon. Global warming is a worldwide long-term phenomenon. You cannot extrapolate from an unusually hot day in San Antonio to reinforce global warming any more than you can use a cold day in Chicago to debunk it.
Weather is the Spurs losing by 30 in Game 2 or winning by 19 in Game 3. Climate is averaging 58 wins over Tim Duncan's career and winning 4 les in 9 years. Get it?
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