The Gasol Trade

[monosylab1k]

bulls got the draft rights to pippen for polynice

swapping high draft picks like this happens all the time. This applies zero.

Most of those examples you gave, there was at least something of definable value traded away right then, and the trade may not have looked great inially, but it only looked really bad in hindsight. Most of them didn't look nearly as one-sided when the trade was initially made. The only trade that comes close is the Randy Moss trade, which was godawful, but even at the time alot of people thought the Patriots were stupid to take Moss.

This Gasol trade smelled like bull from the second it was announced. That's what makes it so bad.

[2Cleva]

Uh, okay dude. And... uh... you're like most Lakers fans who think their sexual prowess and pathetic lives rise momentarily out of the basement because they think because they picked the team Hollywood stars picked somehow that glitz has rubbed off on them.

Uh no. I'm the King baby.

[thispego]

What thispego is trying to do is like one of the nerds in school trying to yell at the HS BMOC for always getting all the hot girls.

Sad.

And Laker fans defending it are even worse. Just say "yeah, we ed her" and move on and keep pimping.

best analogy by a laker fan... ever?

you didn't get laid if you gave her roofies

[Mr. Body]

swapping high draft picks like this happens all the time. This applies zero.

Most of those examples you gave, there was at least something of definable value traded away right then, and the trade may not have looked great inially, but it only looked really bad in hindsight. Most of them didn't look nearly as one-sided when the trade was initially made. The only trade that comes close is the Randy Moss trade, which was godawful, but even at the time alot of people thought the Patriots were stupid to take Moss.

This Gasol trade smelled like bull from the second it was announced. That's what makes it so bad.

Well said.

[2Cleva]

The Detroit Pistons have acquired forward/center Rasheed Wallace from the Atlanta Hawks and guard Mike James from the Boston Celtics as part of a three-way deal that sends guards Chucky Atkins and Lindsey Hunter to Boston and guard Bobby Sura, center Zeljko Rebraca and Celtics forward Chris Mills to Atlanta, it was announced today by President of Basketball Operations Joe Dumars. Boston will receive Detroit’s first-round pick in the 2004 draft and cash compensation. Atlanta will receive the rights to Milwaukee’s 2004 first-round draft choice, which Detroit previously obtained from Denver.

Another big-time move that was worthy of the ring that followed. And it too was done with last year contracts and draft picks.

[monosylab1k]

Even worse is that right after GIVING AWAY Gasol, every team tried to get Mike Miller for a similar deal. But suddenly NOW the Grizzlies want equal value for Miller and cap space doesn't mean jack anymore.

[2Cleva]

best analogy by a laker fan... ever?

you didn't get laid if you gave her roofies

LOL. Roofies?

Cheers!

[turiaf for president]

swapping high draft picks like this happens all the time. This applies zero.

Most of those examples you gave, there was at least something of definable value traded away right then, and the trade may not have looked great inially, but it only looked really bad in hindsight. Most of them didn't look nearly as one-sided when the trade was initially made. The only trade that comes close is the Randy Moss trade, which was godawful, but even at the time alot of people thought the Patriots were stupid to take Moss.

This Gasol trade smelled like bull from the second it was announced. That's what makes it so bad.

good points.

heres my take in this whole thing.

the lakers argueably have the biggest fan base in the league. and as such that means they have the most amount of haters. same thing with the yankees, cowboys, patriots, etc.

the mavs got j kidd for a prospect in devin harris and a retired keith van horn along with couple picks and diop. no one complained when that happened because there isnt a dislike for the mavs nation wide like there is on the lakers.

if the lakers traded the same players for j kidd, people would be ing that the lakers got kidd without getting rid of bynum

[monosylab1k]

Another big-time move that was worthy of the ring that followed. And it too was done with last year contracts and draft picks.

Rasheed Wallace at the time was considered a malcontent of the highest order and not somebody that too many teams were willing to have on their team.

[SPARKY]

A bad trade in talent terms for the Grizz, unless they work some magic with the low 1st round picks. Or the other Gasol shows up and wrecks the league. Yeah, right.

Still, the Grizz shed an awfully big financial commitment to a player who, at best, guaranteed first round playoff exits by himself. And the Lakers took on a big contract for a player who isn't that great.

We wouldn't exactly expect Holt Cat to take on Gasol's contract for the next 3 seasons, would we? Pop was pissed because the Grizz wouldn't deal Mike Miller to SA.

[thispego]

oh please - the whole world knows the spurs tanked to get duncan - are you kidding? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv24frDECA4


Chicago didn't have the expiring contract to give the grizzlies what they wanted. But who cares? Your team is getting old,a nd will be dominated by the lakers for years to come. enjoy it.

I think Chuck is absolutely right. If you do bad things they will come back to bite you. Good things dont happen to cheaters.. Which is why the Spurs have won 4 les since then and why the Lakers wont win this year. cheating is ugly business brah.

[J21]

good points.

heres my take in this whole thing.

the lakers argueably have the biggest fan base in the league. and as such that means they have the most amount of haters. same thing with the yankees, cowboys, patriots, etc.

the mavs got j kidd for a prospect in devin harris and a retired keith van horn along with couple picks and diop. no one complained when that happened because there isnt a dislike for the mavs nation wide like there is on the lakers.

if the lakers traded the same players for j kidd, people would be ing that the lakers got kidd without getting rid of bynum

no the mavs were way better with devin harris

[2Cleva]

Rasheed Wallace at the time was considered a malcontent of the highest order and not somebody that too many teams were willing to have on their team.

Indeed.

And Gasol was considered a max-contract player not worthy of max-contract status and teams were wary of giving up assets for him when they wouldn't be guaranteed a championship-contender yet still would have to pay the luxtax.

Money is why Gasol is a Laker, not conspiracy.

[SRJ]

the mavs got j kidd for a prospect in devin harris and a retired keith van horn along with couple picks and diop. no one complained when that happened because there isnt a dislike for the mavs nation wide like there is on the lakers.

Actually, there was no outrage because Dallas was already a team in decline and it was pretty obvious that JKidd 08 isn't the same old JKidd; OTOH, Pau Gasol is right in the prime of his career.

[2Cleva]

A bad trade in talent terms for the Grizz, unless they work some magic with the low 1st round picks. Or the other Gasol shows up and wrecks the league. Yeah, right.

Still, the Grizz shed an awfully big financial commitment to a player who, at best, guaranteed first round playoff exits by himself. And the Lakers took on a big contract for a player who isn't that great.

We wouldn't exactly expect Holt Cat to take on Gasol's contract for the next 3 seasons, would we? Pop was pissed because the Grizz wouldn't deal Mike Miller to SA.

Sparky gets it (no pun intended).

[monosylab1k]

And Gasol was considered a max-contract player not worthy of max-contract status and teams were wary of giving up assets for him when they wouldn't be guaranteed a championship-contender yet still would have to pay the luxtax.

assets? what assets? the Lakers gave up assets?

[turiaf for president]

Even worse is that right after GIVING AWAY Gasol, every team tried to get Mike Miller for a similar deal. But suddenly NOW the Grizzlies want equal value for Miller and cap space doesn't mean jack anymore.

thats a great point. my argument here is millers contract was more manageable at 8 mil a year. plus after gasol's trade they were under the cap so they didnt have to play a luxury tax, and they were under scrutiny by all the other gm's i dont think they wanted to make another lopsided trade

[2Cleva]

assets? what assets? the Lakers gave up assets?

Financial assets is often a factor to millionaires. You're looking at it as a fan of the game, not a number cruncher.

The books say that Memphis can win 36 games and pay someone an average of nearly $16 mil over 4 years or they can deal him for last year contracts, hope to get some more ping-pong balls in the lottery that they are already heading to and maybe get better in 3-5 years when some of the teams dominating the West fall off due to age. Not to mention make it easier to sell the team.

[turiaf for president]

assets? what assets? the Lakers gave up assets?

future pg in j critt, and 2 1st round pick. granted its not high picks but late 1st round picks in the league in recent years have turned out to be good players.

j critt didnt play much this year but at 6'5" and 19 years old, he was the 2nd PG prospect after conley jr last year.

granted its not pau gasol but j critt was highly thought of.

plus in 3 years when all these players come around, the suns mavs spurs and rockets will all be old and in their minds have lost a step or two

[WCFBaby]

Oh Jesus. Can't you ing read?

I asked for "proof" you ing dolt!

[MadDog73]

If Gasol tanks, and the Lakers lose, will it still be considered a good trade?

[Commissioner Stern]

You pulled off a trade that benefitted your team. How dare you. Waah.

[thispego]

yes. it will just further prove that you can't get to the 'ship by taking shortcuts. no matter how much time you save.

[thispego]

crump

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[lefty]

Yay