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true, manu was a no show. he's far too reliant on the 3 point shot now. if he doesn't want to drive, i'd rather he dribble in and take a mid range jumper. get to a sweet spot and drain it.
Jesus Christ i am so tired of the Amazing Disapearing Manu...
I know ill get reamed for this, because there are a lot of you who think he walks on water, but you cannot just completely disapear from game to game, and be considered a super star.
Not only does Manu disapear when he has a bad game, he pulls everyone in with him. Throws ridiculous passes, has more turn overs than pts, takes bad shots to try and force his game usually leading to points the other way...it just all around blows and REALLY kills our momentum.
What is even worse is POP will NOT take him out of the game. he took Barry out of the game, when Barry was single handedly keeping us in it for Manu, who hadn't had a FG all game long...Someone explain this to me?
Look, i think Manu is a fantastic player and has more heart than 90% of the NBA combined...but rest this er...ESPECIALLY when he is single handedly destroying a game. He doesnt know when to stop, i guess you could say he tries too hard, and it hurts us sometimes. He obviously wasnt going to magically reapear last night, and the fact that he was in the game in crunch time was just wrong. he was just another black hole on our offense yesterday.
The Spurs are relying so much on streaky shooters to carry the game...If those shooters arent hitting, which chances are, they arent...we cant do because no one else can score...I truly hope, if we loose this series, or even if we dont, they give this roster some long hard looks this off season, and try and diversify this team and come back with a fresh look.
true, manu was a no show. he's far too reliant on the 3 point shot now. if he doesn't want to drive, i'd rather he dribble in and take a mid range jumper. get to a sweet spot and drain it.
You can't love Manu for leading the Spurs to their only win in this series and then throw him under the bus for the losses.
Be fair.
Blame Pop for not pulling him out..
I'm in agreement with some points only - it seems you are throwing him under the bus a little bit but I understand that.. He played horribly and has a big part of the blame. The guy is spent at this point. When he's healthy he's just unstopable. The Lakers should feel lucky they are facing a really tired SA team this time around.
Now talking about hard looks to the roster next year - don't expect manu to be gone.
it was a win because when he had this good game, tim and tony had too a good game, making it a big three. when he has all his bad games in these PO, it's only a big 2 and it's not enough.
I love Manu ... but if he can only bring it once in a while, then he's not of much use for us.
I'd take Vujacic or Fisher for him, straight-up.
...and that's why your not in a NBA front office...I'd take Vujacic or Fisher for him, straight-up.
Manu this year has been feast or famine. But I think Pop and especially lack of depth off the bench are equally to blame.
It's obvious that Manu can not play with pain. The guy just has no guts! He's not a gamer!
Manu for Sasha? done. plus I'll throw in a 2nd round pick ...
How about Ducan for Gasol? Ill take that as well...
one game manu is god now hes trash?
Duncan for Gasol is about the only deal I wouldn't take. Duncan's untouchable.
But I would take any, and I mean ANY, other player on the Lakers, for the Spur at the same position.
Manu, love him to death, has won us 3 les, but he's finished as a big-time player. I'd swap him for Vujacic, someone who is young, not injured, and can make a jumper, straight-up.
Finley or Barry for Ariza, easily. Ariza would start here.
I'd take Radmonovich for Udoka, too.
Tony for Fisher. Fisher is clutch, Tony is good and sometimes clutch, but too easy to defend. And Fisher shoots way better -- you know his shot is going in.
Kobe for Bowen, obviously.
I'd take Odom, Gasol, or Bynum over any of our troika of Oberto/Horry/Thomas/Bonner.
The Lakers are just better, 1-12. Much, much better. The better team won the series.
Last edited by Don Quixote; 05-28-2008 at 01:51 PM.
Meh, you gotta take the good with the bad. It's tough to blame Pop for leaving him in because he's capable of going off at any second. How many times has he struggled early and finished strong?
I'm not absolving him from blame. He played like ass, but anyone talking about dealing him is smoking crack. Maybe he'll have a career showing in game 5. Maybe his legs will fall off on national television. That's one more reason why some consider him the most entertaining player in the game.
Manu is a human being. A part of a team. When they lose , it's a team disgrace. Why put all responsabilities on one man? he got his bad days like us. Same thing happens with Tim and Tony. And, please, give Lakers a credit.
You're nuts... If we replaced Gino with a guard who could give us a consistent 15/4/4 vs the lakers, we would be winning this series 3 to 1. If we found a below average starting SG, who could give us 12/3/3 in Gino's minutes, this series would be 2-2... If the rest of our roster were that bad, that simply would not be the case. Gino has sucked hard this series, but the rest of the roster is not completely busted (with the exception of Finley, who is cooked and has a spork sticking out of his back...).
Exactly. You're saying what I'm saying. Replace Ginobili, who's had a great run, with Vujacic, and he'll get us a 15-4-4 consistently. And he's much younger and doesn't need all this *rest*. Vujacic is at least an average consistent player, as is pretty much everyone on L.A.'s roster. They sure got good in a hurry!
And the rest of the roster isn't even CLOSE to L.A.'s. I think I broke it down rather well. There's no one I wouldn't swap even-up for anyone on the Lakers at a similar position (except Duncan, and Gasol's not that far behind him).
He has been consistent all season long and he's had trouble in the playoffs, yes. Whether it's from injury (he said it isn't) or from fatigue, or just having bad games, he hasn't been as consistent in the post season. It's hard to get too mad at him, he's done a lot for the Spurs.
But one thing I will never understand is why Manu and Finley get a free pass from Pop on defense. When Barry, Udoka, Bowen, Parker, even Duncan miss a defensive assignment or do bad on defense, Pop will yank them out of the game and/or yell at them. I've seldom seen him do that to Finley and Ginobili this season (I have never seen him yell at Finley). They were both awful last night on defense. There were a couple of times Ginobili didn't even contest Kobe's shots!
All Manu had to do was be decent in this series and we would be up 3-1 right now. Tim has played well, Tony has played fine, we lost games 1 and 4 both very close games because he was 100% a no show.
All im asking for in Manu is some consistency. I've honestly thought this for years, and wasnt nor ever have been on the "Manu is GOD" bandwagon. When he is focused and healthy, he is ridiculously good, kobe bryant level good...but the main reason he will never be considered at that level is his complete lack of consistency.
At this point i would entertain the idea of trying to get a consistent SG (no not an old ass veteran) a young up and coming athletic SG with some upside...and put Manu out to pasture...
i hate saying, cause i really love the guy...and we all have bad days...but this is a compe ion, and we need to stay relevant...he is a good trade commodity right now...who knows what he will bring in the future.
I wouldnt be sayign this at all, if ALL he has was a bad shooting night...but when he has a bad night, it destroys the entire team effort...he throws turnovers, takes stupid shots, fouls at the wrong times....just completely looses all composure.
Or you could be a Mavs fan, Suns fan, Kings fan, etc.
I hope you are joking... otherwise you are an idiot.
There aren't ten players in the league I'd trade Manu for.
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