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I'll take that, too. At least then the Spurs lose without controversy.
I agree with some of Harvey's sentiments.
The Spurs dug their own whole with lackluster rebounding and by missing timely baskets.
Ginobili was a virtual no-show and I'll be the first to say that Duncan has missed easy baskets throughout the entire playoffs.
I'm still waiting for Parker to attack.
Are Mike Finley, Robert Horry and Kurt Thomas on the Conference Finals roster?
I think Barry did the right thing by trying to get the shot off and not selling the foul. Barry does not and did not get that call, even if he did act.
Kobe, of course, does. Maybe even Manu gets the call with some acting.
The blown call was Fisher landing on Barry's head when he was dribbling. He should've went to the line for 2.
But the bottom line is that once again, like in Game 1, the Spurs put themselves in a position to lose the game by the whisms of the referees' whistles.
I'll take that, too. At least then the Spurs lose without controversy.
Bottom line: It doesn't matter one bit how "hard" the Lakers played during the game. That talk is absolutely crap talk. The Spurs were clearly in position to tie or win at the end of the game, period.
The foul was FAR WORSE than Manu's foul on Dirk that eventually cost us the Finals to Dallas. That was called.
IMHO, the NBA did itself no favors last night is convincing folks like me that a Lakers vs Boston matchup isn't a setup. We got what we deserved because the NBA wants it that way.
I love how all you fans are conveniently not talking about all the calls and non-calls that went the Spurs way. The refs kept the Spurs in the game in the first half. Duncan's blatant travel, Manu's late three pointer that was clearly a 2 point basket, Fisher's shot clearly grazing the rim. We are not even talking about the Lakers getting an offensive rebound on that shot, it went off of Horry, regardless. So it should have been Laker ball in those final seconds.
Yes because ALL Spurs fans think, act and talk alike.
Well okay, not all Spurs fans, but it seems the vast majority of Spurs fans have selective amnesia.
In this thread, maybe. Overall, you cannot accurately say.
Well, I watch because I've seen the Spurs play through bad call after bad non-call and still win 4 championships. But you know what? It still sucks that the Spurs have to work twice as hard to win every series they win, because when the Spurs win, they have to beat the other team AND the refs. And that's just the truth. Duncan gets hacked ALL THE TIME and gets fewer calls than anyone in the league, Manu and Tony get knocked to the ground all the time with no call, while Odom, Bryant, Pierce, KG, Fisher, Chris Paul, etc - I've seen them all repeatedly be allowed to push off and grab opponents with no calls.
I'm not saying the Spurs lost only because of the refs. But I am saying that when they win, they win DESPITE the refs. Every single time.
BS. If Odom wasn't allowed to get away with so much pushing off and offensive foul-non calls, he'd have fouled out by the 3rd quarter.
OK, here are some arguments that DO NOT support the non-call:
Spurs played ty so they don't deserve calls.
There were other non-calls, so the refs have to ignore a blatant foul.
Barry would have missed them anyway, so it does not matter.
I don't know WHY people makes these arguments. Does it make the loss easier to handle?
Maybe it's not a conspiracy. Maybe Crawford was just being a .
But, something happened in the last second: a travel, a foul before the shot, something.
The fact NOTHING was called taints the series, and makes a possible Lakers/Celtics final suspect.
Last edited by MadDog73; 05-28-2008 at 09:33 AM.
There were plenty of missed calls BOTH ways throughout the course of the game and there's always going to be throughout the course of the series. I bet if you go back and recheck every single call and noncall, it usually balances itself out over the course of the series.
Regardless of those blown or not blown calls, I am still trying to hear justification for that non-call on what everyone pretty much agrees was indeed a foul. So does this mean that from now on, defenders can pretty much jump on the offensive player in the closing minutes of a game?
spurs shot 0 free throws in 4
Of course Harvey is right. We looked tired, out of rhythm, and the game should not have come down to Brent Barry free throws. Still, ESPN showed Kobe doing a "multiple step" dance and not get called for traveling. The league has to find a way to not treat certain players as untouchable.
And it isn't over yet. Winner has to win 4 games.
Buck is right we deserved to lose last night. One thing that makes this loss easier to take then others is that our team busted their a$$es out there and as a fan that's all I want.. The Lakers played better and are about to prove, unfortunately,they are the better team.. I hate to say that but up until this point we are supposed to be playing smarter than the younger team but it hasn't been the case...
I dont think fans of the Suns after last year ...would agree with you...karma!
Teams don't "deserve to win". They win or they don't.
However, calls or no-calls by referees can affect the result of championship games. I refer you to the push-off by M. Jordan in the last second against Utah in game seven. He made the 'miracle' jumper for the win--but he should have been called for a blatant foul which he used to get a clear shot. Jordan Rules.
All that being said, I salute the Spurs for the gritty way they kept coming back to put themselves in a position to win the game at the end. They weren't playing well, and Manu was awful, but they fought hard to the end.
One thing we can ALL agree on is that the officiating in this season's NBA playoffs has been a disaster. The inconsistencies, late whistles, and flat out blown calls are maddening and should not be happening to this degree. The NBA needs to do some spring cleaning and bring in some new faces. Joey Crawford should absolutely be fired from the NBA after his poor reffing in last night's game.
That being said, if you put your team in a position that they have to depend on the refs to win the game you are taking a huge risk.
I find it interesting that Kobe and Fish (the playoff veterans) almost individually cost the Lakers the game.
nice article
yes I truly believe crawford will call that foul if it was Kobe with the ball in LA
but then again, spurs don't deserve to win
The more I think about it, the more I hate remarks like "deserve to lose."
To me, I don't give a sh1t what happened throughout the game... bad calls, missed free throws, turnovers, FG%, etc.
It doesn't matter.
All that matters is the final score.
And the Spurs were in positions to win Games 1 & 4.
That's the bottom line.
I think Kobe would have had to sell the call more to get the call either in L.A. or San Antonio.
As evidence, I can only show you the number of shots he's taken and number of freethrows in the series as opposed to what he averaged in the regular season and playoffs. He isn't getting to the line even without selling fouls.
just saw it 5 times on jim rome. barry traveled before fisher touched him.
There is no such thilng as "deserved" to win or lose in sports. You either win or lose, period. No one deserves anything and no one is owed anything for great effort or for "outplaying" another team for a majority of the game. You only deserve a fairly contested and officiated game and at the end of that game one team wins and the other loses. What a load of crap about one team deserving anything.
Nah
no travel
Bingo.
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