So Tired...

[Soul_Patch]

There aren't ten players in the league I'd trade Manu for.

id like to hear the reasoning behind this....honestly.


I respect your opinion and just cant see any rational fan not wanting some more consistency in that position. YES Manu is amazing sometimes, a lot of times...but wow...when he disapears or go's ape crazy with turn overs, fouls, etc...he really REALLY hurts us.

[DDS4]

I think the fact that the West was so damn tough this year, plus a nightmarish matchup with the Hornets going to 7 games pretty much sapped the whole team, especially Manu.

Pop had to put on the gas pedal early this year for fear of falling out of the top 8.

[Emeyin]

Duncan for Gasol is about the only deal I wouldn't take. Duncan's untouchable.


But I would take any, and I mean ANY, other player on the Lakers, for the Spur at the same position.
Manu, love him to death, has won us 3 les, but he's finished as a big-time player. I'd swap him for Vujacic, someone who is young, not injured, and can make a jumper, straight-up.
Finley or Barry for Ariza, easily. Ariza would start here.
I'd take Radmonovich for Udoka, too.
Tony for Fisher. Fisher is clutch, Tony is good and sometimes clutch, but too easy to defend. And Fisher shoots way better -- you know his shot is going in.
Kobe for Bowen, obviously.

I'd take Odom, Gasol, or Bynum over any of our troika of Oberto/Horry/Thomas/Bonner.

The Lakers are just better, 1-12. Much, much better. The better team won the series.

This is ridiculous.

But regarding your original post I do agree if Manu just showed up even a little bit, the Spurs would be winning this series. I am pretty dissappointed in Manu, but I'm not trading him for anyone. Duncan and Parker are the only two stars that showed up for most of the games.

[imtehma]

There's no point in trying to throw up hypothetical situations like "if manu played consistently we'd be winning this series" simply because anyone can use that same excuse. Its like me saying The lakers would of swept teh series if Lamar and Fisher played Consistently. "If Andrew Bynum was playing then the lakers would of won each game by 20+." THe list goes on.

The fact is, the lakers did a great job of slowing him down. I beg you, rewatch these games and tell me everytime Manu touched the ball how often and fast a laker help defender got on him. IT was obviously the coaching job of the lakers that stopped MANU. It was Pop's fault for not adjusting to what PJ was doing.

Look at game 3 where Manu lit it up and the Spurs won. Obviously, Phil knew the Key was Manu.

[Soul_Patch]

This is ridiculous.

But regarding your original post I do agree if Manu just showed up even a little bit, the Spurs would be winning this series. I am pretty dissappointed in Manu, but I'm not trading him for anyone. Duncan and Parker are the only two stars that showed up for most of the games.

Spurs fans are so blindly loyal to their guys. If it was up to most spurs fans, we would run this team till they are 80 in wheel chairs because "we love our guys!!"

I understand the attachment too, BUT...face the facts...To compete you need consistency and potential. All of the spurs potential has already been reached and wecomnig down the back side, or in other cases, at the rock bottom of everyone on our active roster's career...It is time to start exploring other opportunities, or we will be a team of 20 year old draft picks with some 45yr old has beens winning 5 games a season and talking about the good ol days....

[DazedAndConfused]

You guys are nuts. Manu is injured, if healthy even I can admit the Spurs would probably be winning this series.

[ManuTastic]

id like to hear the reasoning behind this....honestly.


I respect your opinion and just cant see any rational fan not wanting some more consistency in that position. YES Manu is amazing sometimes, a lot of times...but wow...when he disapears or go's ape crazy with turn overs, fouls, etc...he really REALLY hurts us.

It really is Pop's fault. When your starting pitcher is loading the bases, you send in the reliever. When Manu is sucking because he's OBVIOUSLY gassed and limping, you sit him. Pop is not doing that because... well, I don't know why.

[Anti.Hero]

He's just resting for the olympics.

[Emanuel20]

He's just resting for the olympics.

[Emeyin]

There's no point in trying to throw up hypothetical situations like "if manu played consistently we'd be winning this series" simply because anyone can use that same excuse. Its like me saying The lakers would of swept teh series if Lamar and Fisher played Consistently. "If Andrew Bynum was playing then the lakers would of won each game by 20+." THe list goes on.

The fact is, the lakers did a great job of slowing him down. I beg you, rewatch these games and tell me everytime Manu touched the ball how often and fast a laker help defender got on him. IT was obviously the coaching job of the lakers that stopped MANU. It was Pop's fault for not adjusting to what PJ was doing.

Look at game 3 where Manu lit it up and the Spurs won. Obviously, Phil knew the Key was Manu.

I watched Manu play this entire season and since he joined the Spurs. There is obviously something wrong with him right now. I don't care how good the Lakers are guarding him, he isn't this ineffective. Also, the way he's being guarded doesn't affect his Defense or the other intangibles he usually brings to the game. Even when his shot isn't there he helps the team in other ways, and recently it's hurting the team than anything else.

[ChickHearnMic]

I like how Manu would come of the bench and kill but come on the dude is a bonafide Superstar!!!

I know Popp's strategy of making Manu come off the bench and lighting up the crowd. But that dude is too good to be a relief player.

Manu should be STARTING EVERY GAME!!

Any other team Manu would be on he is a certified Starter!!!!!!

[ChickHearnMic]

I love Manu ... but if he can only bring it once in a while, then he's not of much use for us.

I'd take Vujacic or Fisher for him, straight-up.

If San Antonio would give us Manu I would trade all of them

Fish,Sasha,Farmar for Manu!!!



DO IT MITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KHRIS]

Spurs fans are so blindly loyal to their guys. If it was up to most spurs fans, we would run this team till they are 80 in wheel chairs because "we love our guys!!"

I understand the attachment too, BUT...face the facts...To compete you need consistency and potential. All of the spurs potential has already been reached and wecomnig down the back side, or in other cases, at the rock bottom of everyone on our active roster's career...It is time to start exploring other opportunities, or we will be a team of 20 year old draft picks with some 45yr old has beens winning 5 games a season and talking about the good ol days....

How about the Lakers send you Luke Walton for Manu?

You guys are nuts. Manu is injured, if healthy even I can admit the Spurs would probably be winning this series.

Gotta love the Spurs fans jumping all over an injured player. Poor Manu he deserves better fans.

[phxspurfan]

There aren't ten players in the league I'd trade Manu for.

Kobe Bryant
Kevin Garnett
Carlos Boozer
Deron Williams
Chris Paul
Greg Oden
Dirk Nowitzki
Dwayne Wade
LeBron James
Carmelo Anthony
Allen Iverson
Steve Nash
Michael Redd
Ray Allen
Paul Pierce
Al Jefferson
Chauncey Billups

[m33p0]

what made this team great last season is what's making this team suck right now - the bench. the team is far too reliant on the big three than last season. last year, the bench is a filled with veterans. now, the ones sitting there are a bunch of old men.

[m33p0]

Kobe Bryant
Kevin Garnett
Carlos Boozer
Deron Williams
Chris Paul
Greg Oden
Dirk Nowitzki
Dwayne Wade
LeBron James
Carmelo Anthony
Allen Iverson
Steve Nash
Michael Redd
Ray Allen
Paul Pierce
Al Jefferson
Chauncey Billups

[SRJ]

Kobe Bryant
Kevin Garnett
Deron Williams
Chris Paul
Dirk Nowitzki
Dwayne Wade
LeBron James
Paul Pierce
Al Jefferson
Dwight Howard

Fixed.

[phxspurfan]

Ray Allen in the Spurs system would be more money than the Euro.

[Capt Bringdown]

I'm not worried about Manu's inconsistencies.

It's the non-producers on this team that are really hurting us in this series.

We needed to add another piece in the offseason, and we didn't do it. Tragic really.

[kolampanum2471617]

You guys are nuts. Manu is injured, if healthy even I can admit the Spurs would probably be winning this series.

hmmm i remember reading something about how if the lakers lost we fans would say "oh, it was because Bynum didn't play" well,, same thing with you spurs fans, if bynum were to be playing right now, well... sorry to say but the series would have been over... i do believe that if Manu were to be playing healthy this would be a series,, RIGHT NOW WITHOUT BYNUM, but if bynum were to be playing right now... wow... mismatch all over the court, Bynum>Oberto [hahahaha] Pau<Duncan [only good matchup u guys have] Lamar>>>Finley Kobe>Bowen [even though i admit bruce plays great D] fish<Parker [but i think fish+farmar had done a decent job for the most part on parker]

[mrspurs]

every head in the spurs organization is choppable except....pop,duncan,tony,manu,bowen....the rest would shine the pine on most other teams theses days.........go spurs go

[SRJ]

Ray Allen in the Spurs system would be more money than the Euro.

Really? Every shooter we bring in seems to lose points off their FG% their first year here. Seems to take them time to adjust to the system.

[Don Quixote]

If San Antonio would give us Manu I would trade all of them

Fish,Sasha,Farmar for Manu!!!



DO IT MITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'd take that trade. That would be a total ripoff in San Antonio's favor. Vujacic, Fisher and Farmar for Ginobili. All 3 are better than Ginobili is now. Vujacic and Farmar are only going to get better, while Ginobili is on the back end of being a good player.

[Don Quixote]

I hope you are joking.

Not joking.

I wouldn't trade Manu for Walton, but I would give the Lakers any of our backup forwards for Walton -- Udoka, Horry, or Barry.

And Radmonovich -- I'd give them Ginobili, Finley and/or Bowen for him. He's been far better than any of that trio in this series. He's practically 7-ft and is a consistent shooter. We need guys like him who can score.

And I'd give up any of our forwards, except Duncan, for Odom, Bynum, or Gasol. Shoot, Odom for Horry, Oberto, Bonner, and Bowen is still a rip-off in our favor. None of our forwards can do what Odom can do, and Odom can do it all -- score, defend, rebound, and shoot. Our forwards (except Duncan) have 1 skill max.

The Laker roster is THAT much better.

[aka_USAPA]

The Spurs are so easy to figure out... Stop Manu and they are toast.