Can we dump all our old players and get Gilbert at SG?

[SRJ]

And I'm still trying to figure out how a guy who shoots worse than Tony, averages less assists per game, and is struggling with recovery from microfracture surgery is supposed to be better than Parker.

Going from Brendan Haywood to Tim Duncan will help any players FG%. And I wouldn't want Arenas at Parker's expense - I would package Manu for him if I would pull the trigger on such a deal.

[Don Quixote]

I'll assume you are kidding or drunk. Who would you want off the Lakers roster for Manu/Tony besides Kobe or Bynum? Adding Arenas in place of Tony (or Tony and Manu as you propose) doesn't improve the roster. Arenas turns the ball more, averages less assists, and shoots a MUCH lower percentage than Tony/Manu.

I'd take anyone off the Lakers roster (except Mihm or Mbenga) for anyone on ours at the same position, except for Tim.

While Tony is very very good, their PGs are better. Fisher can at least be relied upon to make a jumper. And Vujacic is making Manu look like trash.

Their SGs are better. I'd give them Finley or Manu for Kobe anyday. (This one is obvious).

Their forwards are waaay better. Bowen, Barry, Bonner, Horry vs. Radmonovich (long, can shoot and MAKE them), Odom (mul alented), Gasol (mul alented, and an All-Star), and Bynum.

Their roster is so much better than ours I can't see how we can even argue this. And it sucks, because I love the Spurs and hate the Lakers and 90% of their fans. But it's the truth. The good people of L.A. better get ready for riots the next few Junes, because a new dynasty is coming.

[Emanuel20]

I'd take anyone off the Lakers roster (except Mihm or Mbenga) for anyone on ours at the same position, except for Tim.

While Tony is very very good, their PGs are better. Fisher can at least be relied upon to make a jumper. And Vujacic is making Manu look like trash.

Their SGs are better. I'd give them Finley or Manu for Kobe anyday. (This one is obvious).

Their forwards are waaay better. Bowen, Barry, Bonner, Horry vs. Radmonovich (long, can shoot and MAKE them), Odom (mul alented), Gasol (mul alented, and an All-Star), and Bynum.

Their roster is so much better than ours I can't see how we can even argue this. And it sucks, because I love the Spurs and hate the Lakers and 90% of their fans. But it's the truth. The good people of L.A. better get ready for riots the next few Junes, because a new dynasty is coming.

Then, become a Laker fan and you will have all that you wished for!

[DazedAndConfused]

Why on earth would you ever want Gilbert Arenas?

1.) Ball hog.......check
2.) Streaky shooter.......check
3.) Average decision maker........check
4.) Health issues............check
5.) Ego.............check

[PlayoffEx-static]

Why on earth would you ever want Gilbert Arenas?

1.) Ball hog.......check
2.) Streaky shooter.......check
3.) Average decision maker........check
4.) Health issues............check
5.) Ego.............check

+1 No raving ego, shameless chucker, non-recovering from microfracture surgery, knucklehead, undersized SGs need apply.

[Kori Ellis]

I'd take anyone off the Lakers roster (except Mihm or Mbenga) for anyone on ours at the same position, except for Tim.

While Tony is very very good, their PGs are better. Fisher can at least be relied upon to make a jumper. And Vujacic is making Manu look like trash.

You need to hang it up as a Spurs fan. You actually think that Derek Fisher > Tony Parker and that Vujacic > Manu????

OMG. Pass whatever you are smokin'.

[PlayoffEx-static]

Derek Fisher is less mobile than Michael the statue Finley. Fish couldn't cross over my grandmother, and she's dead. Just like teams back off Tony, they crowd Fish because they know he doesn't have much of a handle.

[lrrr]

Ron Harper used to be known as a glitzy scoring guy in his years. After injuries and playoff exits humbled him, he played a role for four championship teams.

Glen Rice never met a shot he didn't like, and he was option #3 on a Shaq and Kobe championship team.

Danny Ainge was a chucking fool and he played in the Finals lots of times. Won two championships.

Crazy old Vernon Maxwell averaged 38 minutes a night in the 1994 Rockets playoff run.

If you focus on what players can't do, you'll blind yourself to the things that they can do.

Sure, if he would come to SA for 4 mill a year, I'm sure Pop would have him on the team.

[senorglory]

Why are you guys so hot after Gilbert Arenas? Makes me think that you don't watch basketball.

Makes me think they don't at least watch the Spurs.

[still.focused]

Ima holla at the front office and see if they can surround me wit the likes of her.
Feel me?

[Don Quixote]

You need to hang it up as a Spurs fan. You actually think that Derek Fisher > Tony Parker and that Vujacic > Manu????

OMG. Pass whatever you are smokin'.

Yes, yes I do. And so does Sancho. I've watched this series, like you have, and I see our PGs getting owned. In contrast to our guys, Derek Fisher is a rabbit's foot in the playoffs. I remember that 15-20 on 3's he put on us in 01. I remember 0.4. And I remember the no-foul last night. That dude's $$ in the clutch, has a much better J, and is stronger and more physical than Parker. Not that Parker sucks, he's great. But you put a body on Parker, and the whole team is toast. So I'd take Fish over Parker.

And I see Manu getting owned as well. Maybe this doesn't happen in 03 or 07. But it's happening now. In contrast to Manu, the Lakers can count on Vujacic to (a) not get injured, (b) make a basket once in a while, and (c) not be a turnover machine. So, yes, Vujacic over Manu.

And the bigs ... whew!

[Don Quixote]

Ima holla at the front office and see if they can surround me wit the likes of her.
Feel me?

If we replaced the entire roster with this face, Kori, RashoFan, and AngelLuv, we might not win any games, but we'd have the best looking roster in the league.

[Don Quixote]

Then, become a Laker fan and you will have all that you wished for!

Sancho says no way! Become a Laker fan?? I don't think 6 months worth of hot scalding showers would remove that odor.

My point is, they are much better than we are. When they turn it on, that's ballgame. When we turn it on, we have a chance to hang in there.

[Emanuel20]

Sancho says no way! Become a Laker fan?? I don't think 6 months worth of hot scalding showers would remove that odor.

My point is, they are much better than we are. When they turn it on, that's ballgame. When we turn it on, we have a chance to hang in there.

Well, let's just wait until tomorrow and see what happens from there.
But please BELIEVE.

[Kori Ellis]

Yes, yes I do. And so does Sancho. I've watched this series, like you have, and I see our PGs getting owned. In contrast to our guys, Derek Fisher is a rabbit's foot in the playoffs. I remember that 15-20 on 3's he put on us in 01. I remember 0.4. And I remember the no-foul last night. That dude's $$ in the clutch, has a much better J, and is stronger and more physical than Parker. Not that Parker sucks, he's great. But you put a body on Parker, and the whole team is toast. So I'd take Fish over Parker.

In this series, Parker is averaging 19 and 6 and Fisher is averaging 6.5 and 1.

Whatever floats your boat man.

[Don Quixote]

Alright. I'm too tired to argue anymore. I love the Spurs ...

But they are a demanding mistress and are giving me a migraine!

Prove me wrong, Spurs!

[Man of Steel]

People who advocate giving up Manu or Parker are either high, drunk, or just plain ignorant.

Maybe Manu isn't having the best series. Whether he wants to admit it or not--the guy is hurt.

Get over it.

[rascal]

Going from Brendan Haywood to Tim Duncan will help any players FG%. And I wouldn't want Arenas at Parker's expense - I would package Manu for him if I would pull the trigger on such a deal.

I agree. Arenas will not have to take so many shots with the spurs. He is needed as the main scorer on Wash. Having Duncan will improve his shooting %. His % can rise to what Manu shoots.

[ambchang]

Hey Manu and Tony, it doesn't matter you helped the Spurs win 3 les, not to mention being vital in two of them. What have you done for us lately? Huh?

It doesn't matter you are averaging 19 and 6 Tony, if the Spurs are on the brink of elimination, it just proves that Fisher, who is like the 5th option on the Lakers, is better than you.

[Sexy Stud 28]

it get Artest too

Im leaning towrds Artest but it wouldnt hurt us to have Arenas either. I wouldnt trade any of the big 4!!! Arenas is very arrogant and he may clash with the team chem. Artest hmm i would just hope HE STAYS OUT OF TROUBLE but i woud love to take the chances with either of them I love my spurs and Manu but Arenas is moe consistant.

(please excuse my grammar and spelling and punctuation)


GO SPURS GO!!!

P.S THE FOUL ON BARRY NEEDS TO BE RE DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I DONT SEE HOW ANY 1 IN THEIR RIGHT MIND SAYS THAT IS NO FOUL!!!!

[BacktoBasics]

Is there a thread in the Spurs forum discussing next season with a more realistic approach. This thread is filled some of the worst thought processes know to man.

[MateoNeygro]

I'd bundle 3 players for Arenas -- Parker, Manu, and Finley.

Arenas is WAY better than what we have right now. That guy can score 30 in his sleep. Our guys can only score 30 if they play their very best.

ARE YOU STUPID?? MANU AND PARKER?? yah you are, and u call yourself a spurs fan first off: Arenas needs like 30 shots a game, second: he's always hurt, third: he doesn't play d, fourth: he's playing against mainly east teams
what a ridiculous thing to say

[Don Quixote]

I stand by my basic premise. This roster can no longer compete against the other elite teams in the league. The sooner the FO realizes this, the better it will be for everyone.

And if it takes losing Manu or Tony, then oh well. I'd rather keep them, personally, out of loyalty. But Manu should not be considered a front-line player. Maybe a 9th or 10th man who can light it up once in a while. We need a real SG, a real rebounding big man to help Tim, and more shooters. We need alot fewer old guys.

We need guys who are taller, stronger, better shooters, and younger. Like what the Lakers have.