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You must be joking....
Radmonovich for Manu... You just made me fall off the chair laughing....
Come on Spurs fans, you are better than that!
I don't know that I'll do that trade either. Manu has already regressed while Farmar and Sasha will still get better. Sasha still has lots of upside, and he's hungry. So is Farmar.
You must be joking....
Radmonovich for Manu... You just made me fall off the chair laughing....
Come on Spurs fans, you are better than that!
I'm not kidding. Radmonovich is more consistent, doesn't get injured (except when he snowboards), and actually can be counted on to make his shots. Unlike Finley and Ginobili. Bowen is a 1-trick horse -- he can guard people and that's about it.
Plus, Vlad is much younger. I'd do the trade in a heartbeat. Any Laker for any Spur, except Duncan.
How bad can his injury be? He played very well in Game 3. He's showing signs of being washed up.
Have you noticed that one of these players is a role player and one is a focal point player? God, if Radmanovic was one of the three best players on his team, that team would win 30-35 games a year and he'd shoot 41-43%. It's a lot easier to look good when defenses are willing to give you shots.I'm not kidding. Radmonovich is more consistent, doesn't get injured (except when he snowboards), and actually can be counted on to make his shots.
Is he better than our role-playing bigs? Depends on what skills you need. He can shoot the open shot, that's true.
For me, the argument you are trying to make is absurd and frankly stupid!
Manu for Radmonovich....
I dont get it, Manu had an amazing Game 3. It seems like when he's playing bad Its because of injuries, but when game 3 came along did the injuries magically disappear then reappear in Game 4? NO! The inconsistency attributes MOSTLY to defense. Using the injury card is laughable considering MANU himself said that he feels fine.
SO please, quit trying to downplay the fact that the lakers are beyond the spurs now.
Last edited by imtehma; 05-28-2008 at 09:50 PM.
Well, I'm not focusing on Manu for Vlad, but yes, I'd do it. Manu is declining and can no longer break defenses down. He's needed for his shot. Vlad could do it better at this point, plus he's long and not a turnover machine. I think it'd be a fair trade, actually a good one for the Spurs. Not that the Lakers would go for it.
And I'd give any of our bigs (except Tim) for Odom, Bynum, or Gasol. Any of them would immediately start in S.A. and be our 2d best player. Conversely, none of our forwards or centers, outside of Duncan, would be in the rotation, let alone start, for the Lakers. And I doubt that Finley or Barry would even make their roster.
Sorry, but it's true.
Every year he plays deep into the playoffs--winning it all. All the while flailing, falling, crashing, flopping to win it all. Then after all that, he plays for Argentina. Give the guy a break, he's a little tired and injured right now. He's not going to bring it every game at this stage.
I read your argument and read it again and I got nothing. Frankly, I just feel that you are overreacting and pissed off because Manu is not playing well in this series. So be it!
No, I'm not really torked at Manu sucking it in the playoffs. If we were up 3-1, I would care less.
Again, I'm not focusing so much on Manu for Vlad. I'm more interested in the big picture -- the Spurs roster is so much worse than the Lakers roster that basically any of our guys for any of theirs would be a steal for us (except obvious ones like Duncan for Mihm!).
I think a better deal for us would be Oberto, Horry, or Bowen for Vlad. But it'd still be a good deal even if we had to part with Manu. And I love Manu!
And Parker's good too. But we need to get better at his position because he's getting owned by the Laker and Hornet PGs. We won't win any more les until we get better at that position, either by getting another starting PG, or by getting him a real backup.
And don't get me started on our bigs.
I've been watching the games, and what I see is a slow, old, untalented, poor-shooting, weaker team getting pushed around by a much better squad -- the Lakers. And that torks me off. And this will continue for seasons to come unless the Spurs get better. And they should begin blowing up the roster Friday morning.
But I love and admire your ability and willingness to believe. I wish I could fake it for another night. But I can't. The season's over in 24 hrs, the Lakers will win the le, and L.A. will be bracing for multiple riots.
No, No, NO!
IF WE HAD AN AVERAGE SG TO FILL IN FOR MANU WHILE HE IS HURT, WE WOULD BE WINNING THIS SERIES. INSTEAD WE ARE STARTING FINLEY!!! We have come damn close in 2 games and have blown them out in one. This says that the rest of the roster is compe ive with LA's. The problem is our starting SG is burnt toast with a spork sticking out of him (Michael Finley) and our Sixth Man of the Year is gimped... What this implies is we should have upgraded our SG rotation during the offseason, rather than relying on the same old guys. Finley had some nice games in last years playoffs, but overall he was mediocre.... This year he's been completely crummy. We should have brought more help in than just Ime.
I say Believe!
Also, I admire your willingness to recreate what's right in front of you - a really good basketball team that needs improvement of course but giving tony/manu for some fisher/vlad …No thank you!
Team needs a youth infusion. Horry and Finley aren't worth it anymore. Vaughn can't shoot a lick. Oberto has hands of stone( I love his beef jerky by the way). Bowen is old but still can play some. Why did we let Udrih go? That's what drives me nuts.
Please, don't lose too much sleep over that!
Give it a break. Yes Manu has never been consistent but he seems to always have an impact with his game whether he's scoring or not. Yes he's hurt and has been pathetic lately but his ankle is not going to heal with a day in between games and I'm afraid that's going to hurt him but I think with some time off to rest he'll be back. He's not finished like I've been hearing. Besides if we traded him to the Lakers can you imagine him coming off the bench for Kobe. I'd still say that would be a scary combo to face. No doubt I hate the way that Manu is playing but it's kind of sad that he spent a lot of time this season carrying the team while Tim and Tony were injured and struggling (he was pretty consistent then) and now everyone wants to get rid of him because he's injured and can do nothing right and should be traded right away. I do hope he comes up big tommorow night and I still believe that he's just as pissed off at himself and will try to do things to contribute to a win.
Last edited by TMTTRIO; 05-28-2008 at 11:09 PM.
I do not want to trade Manu.Give it a break. Yes Manu has never been consistent but he seems to always have an impact with his game whether he's scoring or not. Yes he's hurt and has been pathetic lately but his ankle is not going to heal with a day in between games and I'm afraid that's going to hurt him but I think with some time off to rest he'll be back. He's not finished like I've been hearing. Besides if we traded him to the Lakers can you imagine him coming off the bench for Kobe. I'd still say that would be a scary combo to face. No doubt I hate the way that Manu is playing but it's kind of sad that he spent a lot of time this season carrying the team while Tim and Tony were injured and struggling (he was pretty consistent then) and now everyone wants to get rid of him because he's injured and can do nothing right and should be traded right away
I feel pretty bad about him, too. But he needs to step up, I guess with his other ankle.
, Manu for Sasha or farmar?
LoL
I'd make that trade in a heartbeat.
All this trade Manu talk does bring some interesting thoughts.
If the Spurs DO lose this series, how are you guys going to re-group?
I don't think signing some more scrubs is going to do it or you guys will be in the same boat this time next year.
I think if the Spur seriously do want to contend for the next few years they will seriously need to think about making some major changes this off season.
They might need to consider trading Ginobili or Parker.
As a Lakers fan.......I'll admit that I'd consider trading Cobe Karl for Manu straight up.
Hmm ... you make an interesting case. You're saying we're 2 decent shooting guards away from being compe ive, because so far ours (Fin & Manu) haven't been. Fin will be gone soon enough, but Manu is here to stay. I don't think anyone will want him. Then again, there are dumb GMs all over basketball, so you never know.
But outside of Tim, do you think that our bigs can compete with the Laker bigs? Their Fs and Cs (Radmonovich, Gasol, Odom, Turiaf) completely owned our bigs (Oberto, Bowen, Horry, Thomas) last night. Their bigs have much more skill, ability, and are able to make shots. Ours aren't.
So, besides SGs, our frontcourt is in serious trouble too.
I'd make the trades too. Farmar is better than any of our guards. Tony is good, but not in the class Farmar will be one day. Or Vujacic.
This is a team of scrubs, revolving around Tim and Tony.
No, I am a man of principle and honor. Becoming a Laker fan would go against all that. I only envy your roster and how good it is, and how much better it's going to be when Bynum gets back.Wouldnt it be easy for you to just become a Laker fan...
Listen, Manu is still relatively young, and he will still gives us at the very least 2 or 3 more good years. I tell you what the problem with him is right now:
Pop played this guy no more than 30 mins a night during the regular season. The idea was to keep him fresh for the playoffs.
Now the playoffs come around, and from the get go, he plays way over his usual minutes in the double overtime game. Plus he tweaks the ankle then.
After the Suns series is over, we go down 2-0 to NO, meaning the 2 games at home are must win games... so he plays above average minutes again. We lose game 5, so now games 6 and 7 are must wins. He plays excessive minutes again.
Then we get the Lakers every other day.
Ofcourse the guy is spent. Plus that MRI in his ankle last week goes to tell you that it's not 100%.
This whole season this guy had to show up for what amounts to an inexsistant bench. I'm actually happy to see Barry back, because since he went down with his injury, our bench has been among the worst I can remember.
Pop also miscalculated and fought the bench would produce more, and Manu wouldn't need to play for more than 30 mins a night. Now what happens is Manu doesn't know how to pace himself for a 40+ minute game, and he either is too passive or too gassed by the end of the game.
Last, don't underestimate what thevLakers are doing on defense. Notice how they clog the paint, yet almost every trey Manu took in game 3 was contested. They can do this because PJ knows our offense well. They basically do not guard Bowen and Oberto. That frees Odom to roam and pack the lane in. And also frees Kobe to help on the perimeter. That's why when Bones came in for Bruce, he had all those open looks.
give manu a break. u cant blame this series on manu. Its not like u can do any better. u talking bout how he is injuried and all. well so is kobe, so is fish, gasol, ariza, and bynum.
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