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Salaverry is a very strange guy…I'm not sure he spent more than 5 seconds thinking about his fight the moment he left the arena.
Aren't you on the freakin' email list dude?you are the king
thanks bro
Salaverry is a very strange guy…I'm not sure he spent more than 5 seconds thinking about his fight the moment he left the arena.
No, I mean I've heard he was going to retire. Im just saying that you gave props to every fighter that won except for the guy who impressed me most with his ground skills.
fiveouncesofpain is the worst blog out there, sorry. Who gives a about some lame ass pick-offs? Get a ing clue.
The reason why people make the comparison is simple. He was backpedaling most of the fight. Yes, he certainly did come in and make the offensive.
People want to watch a fighter come in and attack someone's weaknesses. Ortiz has weaknesses and Lyoto could have done other things, but chooses to use his "elusive skills." EVERYONE IN THE WORLD THAT IS SLOWER THAN YOU is going to lose if you come in, hit, and move out and stay backpedaling. It's not that hard. He's not the greatest fighter ever, and he's not entertaining.
Wrestlers could hold people down the entire fight. Does that make them awesome? Nice use of, "he's using his strengths." Just because he's good at something that is winning him fights, doesn't mean people have to like it. It also doesn't make him great.
People haven't figured him out yet. They will. Just like people learned to shed the blankets.
People didn't about Machida because they didn't have to watch him. Did people actually watch Machida-Soku? No. Did they watch Machida-Ortiz? Yes. So you heard more ing. Again, get a clue.
Spurs fans are on edge these days...
Nope.. not at all, not me anyway. I'm not a suicidal Spurs fan. I knew the outcome of the series before it started. Of course, that has nothing to do with the topic here, but I'm not saddened by the loss.Spurs fans are on edge these days...
I am just tired of reading about Lyoto Machida and how good he was in the cage or ever, especially from a site like fiveouncesofpain. More so, it's Sam Caplan, but it's spreading to the rest of their "writers." Things like, kids competing in MMA should be banned, Kimbo Slice shouldn't be getting any negative comments from people like Chuck, and his stupid takes on Affliction and why we shouldn't care about their business model, etc.
As a once upon a time avid reader of 5oz.com...I agree with all of this.
Ram is very very good though
OOO..I forgot about the big upcoming weekend. I believe Saturday is Elite XC on CBS with Kimbo...Gina...Robbie Lawler, and Sunday is Faber-Pulver.
here ya go brother - its gonna be good
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97181
Thanks man...I didnt even pay attention to it on the main page, I just came here and clicked on UFC haha.
Machida was very aggressive vs Sokoudjou and Nakamura
I think you are confusing fights. Sokoudjou was aggressive and coming forward and Machida was great at counter striking. Sokoudjou took the fight to the ground the first time, but got swept. Machida was quicker. Machida was able to punch and sweep Sokoudjou before he could even follow through with his LHK (RHK? I don't recall). That's when the fight went to the ground again. All exchanges on the feet were punch in, and move out.
I think what he was trying to say was that even though it was counter striking, he was involved in a lot of action.
ok.. i'm sorry. Machida is the greatest. I thought I was watching another fighter.
... unappreciated.
un·ap·pre·ci·at·ed
- adj.
1. Not recognized, as to quality or worth: an unappreciated gesture of good will.
2. Not having risen in price or value
Lyoto Machida is an unappreciated fighter.
He's intelligent and very technical. Machida may not always press the action, but he counters very well. He finds openings with his controlled aggression and is dangerous standing and on the ground. Machida has solid takedown defense and has an uncanny ability to spin out of a clinch. His unpredictability and unorthodox stance sets him apart from the rest of the light heavyweight division in the Ultimate Fighting Championship and in the world.
The Shotokan Karate black belt's style has been known to baffle his opponents, often leaving them flustered. Machida is undefeated as a professional and holds notable wins over Rich Franklin, Stephan Bonnar, B.J. Penn, Kazuhiro Nakamura, Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou and most recently o Ortiz at UFC 84. That's an impressive list.
I personally enjoy watching Machida pick apart his opponents and completely frustrate them with his elusive yet unappreciatively dominant style. Unfortunately, that same fighting style has garnered him a bit of criticism. Of his 13 career victories, Machida has won eight of them by way of decision. Moreover, four of his five UFC appearances have resulted in unanimous decisions.
"He's a boring fighter." "All he does is run away." "He needs to press the action more."
Comments like these are abundant and are the main focus of his criticism. Those who were quick to write-off his performances as "dull" have yet to doubt the validity of his victories. He deservingly earned all of his wins without question.
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Why should Machida steer away from the old adage and play into the strengths of his opponent? Trainers and coaches strive to create the best strategies for their athletes knowing the capabilities of the fighter. Lyoto Machida uses his natural talents to the best of his ability and implements them into his strategy for each fight. Is it really Machida's fault for executing brilliant game plans that break his opponents down? Why aren't his opponents criticized for being unable to overcome Machida with their strategies?
After five successful appearances in the Octagon, a le shot seems to be looming in Machida's near future. So what if Machida becomes the 205-pound champion? Will the UFC have a dilemma on their hands? How do you market what some call a "boring" fighter? What should the UFC do?
The answer is real simple. Nothing.
Allow me to digress for a moment. When Anderson Silva demolished Rich Franklin and took his middleweight belt in only his second Octagon appearance, many fans were stunned. Some were simply in denial. I recall hearing trivial comments that were a bit shocking and appalling to me. One that comes to mind was "How will the UFC market a fighter who can't even speak English?" After four successful le defenses, comments like that are mere afterthoughts.
I feel that the critics' concern about Machida's fighting style can be approached in a similar trivial manner. If Machida continues to win his fights in dominating fashion, he will market himself. Fans will learn to appreciate Machida's style as they become more educated about the sport and about the disciplines involved. If the UFC truly feels that Machida would be incapable of drawing a crowd as a headliner or co-headliner, then they'll likely supplement the fight card with other fighters to balance things out.
It's understandable that people want to be entertained, but there is one thing that is being overlooked. Machida is only one man with a unique style. Critics have been ranting about Machida as if he had five more clones in the UFC. He is just one person. I don't consider Machida a "boring" fighter; I find him very entertaining and I feel there are many more fighters out there who fit the "boring" description. He exemplifies what mixed martial arts truly is and it intrigues me to see if someone can eventually defeat Machida in the Octagon. The same intrigue could be said about Anderson Silva in his weight class.
I must admit that reading the recent banter and arguments about Machida has been rather amusing at times, but it really is an exercise in futility. For those who can't appreciate Lyoto's fights, simply don't watch. Don't spend your money if you feel that you won't get your money's worth.
Lyoto Machida's style is his own. He is more than capable of putting on an exciting fight and has shown that he can finish his opponents. Lyoto doesn't need to alter it to please others. In my humble opinion, there is more to "The Dragon" that we haven't seen yet. His style will change when he finally faces opposition that can make him change.
What? What are you talking about? All I said was in the Soku fight he was involved in a lot of action.
Did you write that? If so, good write-up. I believe it misses the focus of what most people are complaining about.
There is no doubt he is talented, and has an arsenal that could rival every fighter in the 205 lb division. That isn't a question, and it isn't even a debate. Machida is dangerous on the ground and on his feet. He has short, quick and explosive hands and feet. He is very capable in the clinch, and his ground skills are solid. I don't mean servicable, I mean he more is than capable at finishing on the ground.
To say that he exemplifies what mixed martial arts is about, is a joke. What about him explifies what this sport is about? Is it because he is undefeated that now he exmplifies what the sport is about? I'll give three names and tell me how his skills, etc. compare: Anderson Silva, GSP, and BJ Penn. No one -- not a single person would ever call these guys boring. All three are capable of dominating anyone at their weight division, and possibly higher divisions. Penn even fought Machida at 205! Some would argue that BJ possibly took that fight, but Machida clearly won. The problem was BJ was slower than a turtle and was fatigued.
Show me someone that can beat Silva at 185, currently. Show me a person who says his style is boring. So, what does Matchida have to do with boring? That's the question that needs to be answered. Let's look back at the history of MMA (let's par it down and say UFC because that's all anyone cares about anyway). A tiny man in a gi dominated men twice his size using BJJ. Were people bored with his style? No. It was quite intriguing to watch a man the stature of Royce come in and dominate. Did it last forever? No, people figured out the game. Then it was the evolution of the wrestlers. Was this boring? Of course. Action was stalled.
I never understood these so called "purists" of this sport. The people that believe everyone must enjoy the skills of a particular fighter. I believe Machida uses a tactic that is similar to what Wrestlers used to avoid damage and control the fight. So, if people welcome Machida, I welcome Lay N' Pray as a tactic to win fights. As they are both tactics used to win fights, avoid damage, etc. People may not agree with the opinion and say they are different cases, but it's my opinion.
Dan Severn was simply awesome, the way he would take down an opponent and control him. That's what the sport is all about, controlling the fight. I don't know why everyone thinks that laying on top of your opponent to avoid getting hit is boring. They need to adjust to that style of fighting. Hopefully, Machida's "style" gets figured out quickly so we can enjoy his skills.
Sorry I forgot to credit the source
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ted/index.html
by the way...massive props to cnnsi for the new MMA section.
I love watching Machida fight and I find his style to be refreshing. It seems so many of the newer fighters just go out there, plant their feet, and "swing for the fences". To me, that's boring. But the UFC rewards this style of fighting and the public seems to demand it so it's becoming more prevelant.
Maybe it's a vicarious thing that I see him rely completely on technique, which reaffirms my long held faith in martial arts. Like the old days of Royce beating larger, stronger guys using technique. A lot of people thought it was boring to watch him fight but there was something reaffirming about it, at least for me.
I will admit though that matchups will be critical. If they match him up against the wrong guy it could turn into the Ultimate Paint Drying Championship, much like his match against Vernon White.
good post. Dana rewards guys that go balls out even if they lose. (Clay Guida). which i think iis kind of dumb. Machida could hold a le some day because he fights to win, not to lose and get a fotn bonus.
and fans even if you think machida is the most boring fighter ever...dont boo. i hate the fact that american fans boo at every second of a fight if they're not swinging for the fences or slamming each other. What was with the boos during Soku-Nakamura? But i suppose if i paid top dollar for ufc seats i would want to be entertained too. off topic but american fans annoying me. i watched leonards videos and it looked like about 1,000 people in the seats during the undercard fights. pathetic.
I dont think its dumb to reward them. I want the kind of people that go in there to put on a show, and constantly try. Dont give him a le shot for it...but keep putting him out there. Plus Guida is a good fighter. I said before that the Machida- o fight was boring, but what I meant by that was that it was boring compared to the rest of the fights. He by no means is a boring fighter, I just want to see the slugfests.
On a side note, is anyone as excited as me to see the Roger Huerta-Kenny Florian fight?
Kenny will beat Huerta. Then get smashed by Penn. But it should be a good fight. Kenny has fought some tough guys. Huerta's compe ion...not so much. Besides Guida.
Yeah I think Kenny will win as well...I want Huerta to pull through, but Kenny is a beast.
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