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Yeah.
A guy with a front row seat to an Administration that lied us into a bogus war and cost the lives of 4,100 American heroes and 500,000 innocent Iraqi civilians while Osama bin Laden chills in Afghanistan should be discredited by all means necessary.
Go get him, Karl Rove!
Go back to sleep, America.
Bush lied? Really? I would never expect that from a politician, especially W.
WTF Duel? You slummin'? I thought you had your own sewer of a forum in which to wallow.
Anyway, let's hope this comes to fruition...
Wexler: McClellan Must Testify Under Oath Before House Judiciary Committee
I'm betting Scottie wasn't planning on actually having to defend his statements under oath.
Yeah, I'm sure he has reams of witnesses and evidence to back up his tabloidesque assertions.
The guy's going to be ripped to shreds.
McClellan confirms what the 7 years of evidence observable by everybody not in the dubya Exec has seen:
dubya and his accoplices all lied,
Iraq was always and overwhelmingly primarily about oil and M/E oil hegemony,
NEVER about GWOT,
never about removing Saddam.
This isn't much of a problem for McClellan since he isn't the target of the investigation. , he could probably get an immunity deal from the Democrats before he takes any oath.
Let's get Dubya, Cheney Rove and Douglas Feith under oath too....
I think Feith's been under oath, before Congress, on at least one occasion.
But, hey, McClellan made this bed, he can sleep in it. Should be real entertaining.
all they have to do is refer back to powells acknowledgement about the administration deliberately misleading the country into war.
he wasn't on the other side of the door, and i think he wants to make it up to us.
When and where, exactly, did Powell "...the administration deliberately misleading the country into war..."?
yeah, we were all shocked to hear him admit it, but i think he'd like to make it up to us.
just like when he told bush "you have to look at the wolf thats eating you" and part of the wolf IS bush.
So, you can point to the quote where Powell said this?
You're right about that. I just don't think it's congress that's going to be doing it.
.In response to his scathing memoir detailing the "propaganda"-filled run up to war and seedy political machinations behind the CIA leak case, Scott McClellan has received withering criticism from his former colleagues. A money grubbing, attention seeking, devoid-of-principles hack has been the description of choice; "this is not the Scotty we knew," the most popular quote.
One former Bush aide, however, is sticking up for McClellan, arguing that the former Bush press secretary is "getting savaged for saying what everyone knows to be true."
Mike Turk served as the eCampaign director for President Bush's 2004 reelection campaign. As such, his tenure corresponded with that of McClellan's. No longer connected to the administration, Turk is now one of the few (if any) voices with connections to that crowd who are saying, quiet simply, that the book "What Happened" is steeped in little more than truth.
"After watching McClellan on Today this morning, I think the reception his book received exemplifies the point he was making," Turk told The Huffington Post in an email. "People had high hopes for President Bush to bring America together after his election and after the attacks on 9/11. They felt disillusioned by the Administration's adoption of the 'win at all costs' partisan mentality in this town. I think the bigger point of Scott's book comes from the lessons he learned while playing a part in the permanent campaign. It's an exploration of how that mindset can lead to some really bad choices."
Indeed, Turk notes, he himself has been on the receiving end of Bush-loyalist scorn. After the campaign and his tenure at the Republican National Committee, Turk criticized the party for not fully embracing technological advances. "As a result I'm already on the watch list for the GOP establishment for some of my own criticisms," he said.
Earlier in the day, Turk left a message defending McClellan on the online service Twitter, which was highlighted by Matt Stoller on the site OpenLeft.
And while he has only seen the major excerpts of the book, Turk predicted that, ultimately, McClellan would be looked at optimistically. He suggested the memoir may stand up better to history than the Bush administration itself.
"While Scott's going to weather a fierce storm for writing it, just as Matt Dowd did with his New York Times piece, I think it ultimately will be regarded as a very personal look into the modern political machinery that so many people are sick of," he said
Hasn't explicitly said anything about the UN, but he has said he tried to stop the war before it started.
THE former American secretary of state Colin Powell has revealed that he spent 2˝ hours vainly trying to persuade President George W Bush not to invade Iraq and believes today’s conflict cannot be resolved by US forces.
“I tried to avoid this war,” Powell said at the Aspen Ideas Festival in Colorado. “I took him through the consequences of going into an Arab country and becoming the occupiers.”
Powell has become increasingly outspoken about the level of violence in Iraq, which he believes is in a state of civil war. “The civil war will ultimately be resolved by a test of arms,” he said. “It’s not going to be pretty to watch, but I don’t know any way to avoid it. It is happening now.”
He added: “It is not a civil war that can be put down or solved by the armed forces of the United States.” All the military could do, Powell suggested, was put “a heavier lid on this pot of boiling sectarian stew”.
I'm looking for a quote where he says the administration deliberately misled us into a war.
Having a policy disagreement with the president is one thing...he was just one of the decision-makers advising the president at the time. That his advice wasn't followed isn't news...happens in all administrations.
Clambake said Powell admitted that the administration deliberately misled the American public in the run up to the war. I'm wondering where he said that.
He hasn't said it. That would be a condemnation of his own actions and he has the right to remain covered in the slime of a liar if that's what he wants to do with his own legacy.
That doesn't mean it didn't happen.
If he testifies it's all true I suspect you will be apologizing for calling him a liar.
An eCampaign director with an apparent axe to grind? Yeah...
Oh, and I notice that he amply supported McClellan's accusations with facts...oh, wait; he didn't.
YES!! Let's get all the players under oath.. That would be yummy!
Huh? Testifying makes it true?
I'm not calling him a liar, his book makes no definitive statements supported by factual evidence. As far as I can tell it's a bunch of opinions drawn from his observations. That doesn't make him a liar. It could make him wrong.
I hope he brings evidence to his sworn testimony. Otherwise, it remains his opinion.
His opinion huh?
Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. Cheney- Aug 26, 2002
Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons. Bush- Sep 12, 2002
The Iraqi regime possesses and produces chemmical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. Bush- Oct 7, 2002
Iraq has a growing fllet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that would be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We're concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using the UAV's for missions targeting the United States. Bush- Oct 7, 2002
We know for a fact that there are weapons there. Ari Fleischer Jan 9, 2003
Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have. Bush Feb. 8, 2003
There is no doubt the iraqi regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised. Bush March 17, 2003
There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses wmd's. As this operation continues, those weapons will be id'd, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them. Tommy Franks- March 22, 2003
There is no doubt we're going to find big stores of wmd's. Kenneth Adelman- March 23, 2003
We know where they are. They are in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad. Donald Rumsfeld March 30, 2003We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time before we do so. Bush May 3, 2003
I never believed we'd just tumble over WMD's in that country. Rumsfeld May 4, 2003
US officials have never believed that we were going to find weapons of mass destruction. Condoleeza Rice, May 12, 2003And I said on my program, if, if the Americans go in and overthrow Saddam Hussein and he's clean, he had nothing, I will apologize to the nation and I will not trust the Bush Administration again. Bill O Reilly March 18, 2003
"no definitive statements supported by factual evidence"
Yoni's ridicules McCluckin for this as just "opinion", but dubya/ head didn't/don't have "factual evidence" about their bogus reasons for invading Iraq.
READ MY LIPS: DUBYA LIED
Yep, his opinion.
You left off a couple of hundred quotes from just about every world leader alive between 1991 and 2003 that were saying the exact same thing as the Bush administration officials you quoted.
When all is said and none, just remember he was a hired hand. Not
a policy maker. And his career went no where after he left his job at
the WH. Now he is loved by all the lefties, well, until they use him up
and then what is he going to do. Back to nothingness.
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