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Oh c'mon you post this on a Spurs board. I can already tell you what the result will be.
Hakeem the Dream
Duncan the big fundamental
Both all time players, both in consideration for the best ever at their position.
Which player would you want on your team if they were in their prime?
Me? Obviously Dream, because he dominated both ends of the court.
What about you, and why?
DD
Oh c'mon you post this on a Spurs board. I can already tell you what the result will be.
Hakeem, becaue he didn't cry like a millionaires two year old daughter when things didn't go his way. He was also a slightly better defender and passer.
Duncan. He is the ultimate team player, and gives you everything you want out of a big man... scoring, rebounding, shot-blocking, passing, defense... Dream was more skilled, and arguably the most skilled big-man ever, but Duncan is the greatest leader among big-men ever, and I think leadership and mental toughness is extremely important, more so than skills. IMO, Tim Duncan is one of the three most mentally strong leaders in NBA history (Jordan and Bird being the others).
Keep in mind Hakeem only won his les when the dominant team (in other words, Jordan) was gone. Duncan won les despite dealing with the dominance of Shaq and Kobe. Duncan has fine stats, and loads of accomplishments to back everything up too.
It is a Spurs board but I think people can still be objective.....at least I hope.
DD
In his prime, I'd take Hakeem. When he was healthy he was almost as athletic as David Robinson with a game almost as polished as Duncan's. It's a narrow margin, but that's the pick I'd make.
I hope everyone understands that the topic is in NO way disrespecting either player.
I would be happy to have either one on my favorite team.
Just wanted to have people have a think about it.
DD
However, I will say this... one on one, you will have an easier time stopping Duncan than you will with Shaq or Hakeem. But if you focus your defense mainly to stop these guys, Duncan will give you more problems, because of his versatility, team leadership, and smarts. But fact is, its very rare to stop any of these guys one-on-one on a consistent basis, and you will have to throw multiple looks at them and base a lot of your defensive scheme to stop them.
define your use of "objective" because I think that in your mind, the only way to be "objective" is to be in agreement with you.
Duncan > Hakeem. Hey, Denial is not just a river in Africa.
Best Hakeem video ever.
And Mono, if you think Duncan is better, great......just an opinion.
The reason I asked was to hear what people thought.
Just watch that video, he was so skilled.....incredible athlete.
DD
Last edited by DaDakota; 05-29-2008 at 03:56 PM.
My answer depends upon whether we're talking about one year, or the player's entire prime.
Take their entire prime if you like. Both are amazing, but if you watch that video, man, Hakeem was so special so quick for a player his size...and so skilled.
Has Duncan ever torched a league MVP like Hakeem did to Robinson...
DD
Isn't Hakeem like 45 now? I'd rather have Duncan.
4>2
I think that matters more.
Plus I think Robinson is a bit on the overrated side in terms of his defense. He was a fantastic blocker, but he was not as good of a defender as Duncan by any means.
In my opinion Hakeem in his prime was 2nd all time only to Jordan. The way he dominated both sides of the ball was absolutely amazing and has never been duplicated, at least not to the extent he did.
Plus, that 2 could very easily have been a zero. Thankfully for Hakeem & the Rockets, Michael Jordan had a gambling problem.
A pure canard, MJ played in the 2nd year and got eliminated by Orlando, the Bulls were short a power forward/rebounder, which they rectified by bringing in Rodman the next year.
No asterisks in any championship, not the Spurs in the strike year, nor the Rockets in their one Jordan less year. The Rockets owned the Bulls during Dream's career....
DD
Oh yeah that year, because we all know Jordan wouldn't be rusty after close to 2 years off.
you fail.
I personally think it's a toss up. Obviously, two of the greatest big men of all time. Hakeem was one of my favorite players when I was growing up. He is the more prolific scorer and the more dominant defensive player. On the other hand, you cannot deny the team success that has followed Tim Duncan.
For me personally, I'd probably go with Hakeem if we're talking about individual players. But, it's by the slimmest of margins.
And a minicamp, pre-season, many many practices, 82 regular season games and 2 playoffs series.
Hey you pathetic piece of , do you realize that the only reason you're still posting here is because a Spurs fan allows it, and the reason they allow it is because they are looking for exactly the opposite of how you portray Spurs fans?
take off minicamp, pre-season, and 65 of those regular season games and then your post isn't complete trash.
And a minicamp, pre-season, many many practices, 82 regular season games and 2 playoffs series.
even Penny Hardway said it clearly was not the same Jordan as before.Oh yeah that year, because we all know Jordan wouldn't be rusty after close to 2 years off.
you fail.
those 2 could have been more if his '86 team didn't fall apart around him. it's too bad modern surgical techniques didn't exist back then for sampson. it's even more of a tragedy that the team lost lucas, lloyd, and wiggins to coke. i think that is the one thing that really irks me when people talk about hakeem and only talk about his "prime". it's like they completely forget that he led a team that beat down the showtime lakers in 5 games in '86 and took the 86' celtics, the 2nd or 3rd best team ever, to 6 games. they always forget dream got to the finals way before jordan ever did and it's all because of team.
duncan has really had a luxury having good players around him pretty much his whole career. i'm not taking anything away from duncan at all but it is a testament to basketball being a team game and you need talent around you to win.
also to the argument of who is better...awhile back someone put forth this question and i made a spreadsheet comparing dream's and duncan's careers up to this point and for what it's worth dream led in every statistical category. i think it's on my computer at home. i'll post the numbers later.
If he always played the way he did in the championship years, Hakeem.
For overall performance over the player's career, Duncan.
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