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    If you really wanted Splitter than the NBA rules have to change. How are you going to compete against 8 times the salary that you can offer?
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    Calm the f down! SpursFan

    Rockets to the rescue: We will trade you Luther Head+2nd Rd+Cash for the rights to "talk" with Mr. Splitter.

    I am sure RC will be like "I ll take it."








    PS, where is Mr. whottt, Splitter will eat Scola alive, and Scola will be a scrub for as long as cars runs on gas,
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    The Spurs should trade out of the 1st round if they intend to draft and stash. 2nd round picks are not held to the same scale. It's crazy, but had the Spurs drafted Splitter at, say, #32 this would not be an issue next year. I suspect American agents will push to see international prospects passed over in round 1.
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    The Spurs should trade out of the 1st round if they intend to draft and stash. 2nd round picks are not held to the same scale. It's crazy, but had the Spurs drafted Splitter at, say, #32 this would not be an issue next year. I suspect American agents will push to see international prospects passed over in round 1.
    To respod to myself: maybe the T-Wolves would give up their 2nd round #1 and #4 for our 1st round #26.

    And I'd package Bonner and Splitter together to try to get a pick somewhere in the late teens or early twenties.

    Or, I'd give up Bonner's contract for any second round pick. Maybe Portland, with their glut of picks, would accept Bonner and a future 2nd for a second this year.
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    I think the Spurs should keep the 26th, and get a wing or point guard.

    Or at least try and move up earlier and improve their chances at that.
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    i have been reading euroleague news and i have never read any news about splitter resigning with TAU...hopefully this is just a negotiation ploy to get more money from the SPURS...
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    i have been reading euroleague news and i have never read any news about splitter resigning with TAU...hopefully this is just a negotiation ploy to get more money from the SPURS...
    Well there is nothing to negotiate.

    There is a set pay scale for rookies. Thats it, thats all.....
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    Spurs just don't have much room to make the kind of improvements needed.

    There aren't too many open roster spots. Barry and Vaughn are still under contract, there's little chance of them getting bought out.

    The only youth so far you can count is Mahinmi, and there's no guarantees he gets any chance from Pop whatsoever.

    Their 08 first round pick is up in the air. If they draft a euro, he stays overseas to either never come over or get traded. If it's an NCAA product, their history the last decade or so indicates they'll blow it on someone who isn't an NBA caliber player that can help this team.

    Viktor Sanikidze who was drafted ahead of Trevor Ariza can't get anything beyond a summer league invite.

    No team will collude with them like Memphis did with the Lakers.

    They have no cap room larger than the MLE, and the free agent class is poor. Maybe they can do sign-and-trade Van Horn type deals with Horry or Finley or Thomas, but the pickings are slim.

    Splitter was the key. Not because he was going to be a star, but because at worst he would likely have been a rotation playing big man on a cheap contract allowing the Spurs to best spend their limited resources elsewhere. Now that's likely done.
    Spot on. A reasoned, sober take on our offseason. The Spurs hurt themselves badly by picking Bonner over Scola - and not getting value for Scola in return. Everything else looks fairly dim, including their domestic drafting history. Losing Splitter, if in fact they have, is a serious, serious blow.
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    It is amazing that this guy would turn down a chance to play with Tim Friggin Duncan, on a team that will have a shot to win it all for a few extra bucks. I get the money is better there now but prove yourself in the NBA and it will be rolling in. It is the best league in the world for god's sake. This is a bad decision on his part.
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    The Spurs hurt themselves badly by picking Bonner over Scola - and not getting value for Scola in return.
    They didn't pick Bonner over Scola and they wanted nothing back in return. It was done to get rid of Butler's salary.
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    They didn't pick Bonner over Scola and they wanted nothing back in return. It was done to get rid of Butler's salary.

    No one was calmoring for Scola either. New Jersey turned him down for a simple 2nd rounder.
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    It is amazing that this guy would turn down a chance to play with Tim Friggin Duncan, on a team that will have a shot to win it all for a few extra bucks. I get the money is better there now but prove yourself in the NBA and it will be rolling in. It is the best league in the world for god's sake. This is a bad decision on his part.
    Make 5 or 6 mill as opposed to 1 or 2? Eh, I can see why he would do it. Although, if you make a commitment the summer before, and you go back on it, thats bushleague.
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    This is just completely wrong, Brooks is a fine passer, he may not be as good as your mancrush, but he is a very nice PG, especially as a change of pace off the bench.

    I expect him to be this team's Bobby Jackson type of player going forward.

    Instant game changer off the bench.

    As for Splitter, the NBA needs to find a way to fix the problem, they could exempt Euros but that would open up a new can of worms as every talented US High School player would then go to Europe to avoid the rookie scale contract.

    Ultimatly it may come down to a seperate draft, or a transfer system much like soccer.




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    Sorry DD you are wrong on Brooks. Be able penetrate and dish off or make good pass from penetrate does not make him point guard. Point guard must understand game of point guard in head. Brooks is shooting guard. He do not have any point guard ability. Rockets is obsess with these player. Alston have no point guard ability same way. Head is worse of all he cannot even dribble. At least Alston know how run team and dribble and Brooks at least can create play.

    Head is joke player. But none of them have point guard instinct. If you think Brooks have point guard instinct I really wonder why. Can watch such player just few minutes and see he have none.
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    Make 5 or 6 mill as opposed to 1 or 2? Eh, I can see why he would do it. Although, if you make a commitment the summer before, and you go back on it, thats bushleague.
    C'mon you guys know the first rule of business. He who has the money makes the rules. This is clearly a case of "Show me Da Money".

    I don't fault Tiago Splitter for this. 95% of all NBA players if offered 6 million to play in Europe vs 1-2 million to play in the NBA without a lucrative shoe contract would probably go play in Europe if their head is screwed on straight. Ask yourself what would you do if someone waved 6 million in front of you vs 1 million?

    The NBA is a business.
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    Well there is nothing to negotiate.

    There is a set pay scale for rookies. Thats it, thats all.....
    The Spurs could hire his father or someone else in his family and pay him 2 mil $ / year for a "scouting job" in Brazil or anything else !

    Is it possible ? Is there a rule against that sort of thing ?

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    C'mon you guys know the first rule of business. He who has the money makes the rules. This is clearly a case of "Show me Da Money".

    I don't fault Tiago Splitter for this. 95% of all NBA players if offered 6 million to play in Europe vs 1-2 million to play in the NBA without a lucrative shoe contract would probably go play in Europe if their head is screwed on straight. Ask yourself what would you do if someone waved 6 million in front of you vs 1 million?

    The NBA is a business.
    It's different for Americans. Many would leave millions on the Euro tables for a minimum deal in the states. That keeps the talent level in the D-League from being a total joke.
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    C'mon you guys know the first rule of business. He who has the money makes the rules. This is clearly a case of "Show me Da Money".

    I don't fault Tiago Splitter for this. 95% of all NBA players if offered 6 million to play in Europe vs 1-2 million to play in the NBA without a lucrative shoe contract would probably go play in Europe if their head is screwed on straight. Ask yourself what would you do if someone waved 6 million in front of you vs 1 million?

    The NBA is a business.
    If you make a committment, you stick to it.


    You can't spin it either way.

    Go worry about your perennial failure in the basketball forum and leave it alone.
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    Make 5 or 6 mill as opposed to 1 or 2? Eh, I can see why he would do it. Although, if you make a commitment the summer before, and you go back on it, thats bushleague.
    I guess it just amazes me that it is always, always about the money. Even when their is the chance to make a ton of it down the road if you take less now, they still go right for the quick score.
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    It's different for Americans. Many would leave millions on the Euro tables for a minimum deal in the states. That keeps the talent level in the D-League from being a total joke.

    I dunno about you but if I'm a rookie looking at 1-2 million in the NBA vs 3-4 million in the Euroleague I'd have to consider it.
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    It's different for Americans. Many would leave millions on the Euro tables for a minimum deal in the states. That keeps the talent level in the D-League from being a total joke.
    But you must consider only some teams in Europe is not careful with money contract. Team like Olympiacos come to mind. It is very hard for American player get millions contract unless he earn such thing.

    Jeremiah Massey make 850,000 euro from Real Madrid. This type salary after he have 2 great years in Greek league and 1 great year in Euroleague. It take much for player to be consider worth these big contract like Splitter get.

    For American player who play in NBA which Massey not do it also take prove ability in Europe unless player have big name in NBA. Qyntel Woods I think get 850,000 euro from Olympiacos and they is most willing to overspend team on players in Europe.

    He will not get such contract as Splitter unless he prove something in Europe and it true contract he get from Olympiacos is just because they is one team that is always ready to overpay.

    So American players is not face with same issue because money is not as much. It is mostly players like Darius Washington. NBA minimum or good salary in Europe. But if this player is not able prove anything he will be out of Europe fast. Aris been try dump Washington contract after just one week have him. He will not get same contract again in Europe unless he improve a lot.

    Is not same issue as player like Splitter be ask turn down many millions.
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    If you make a committment, you stick to it.


    You can't spin it either way.

    Go worry about your perennial failure in the basketball forum and leave it alone.
    No contract no commmitment.

    Your post is a Fail
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    I dunno about you but if I'm a rookie looking at 1-2 million in the NBA vs 3-4 million in the Euroleague I'd have to consider it.
    Which US rookies make $4 million in Euroleague?

    Give me some names.
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    But you must consider only some teams in Europe is not careful with money contract. Team like Olympiacos come to mind. It is very hard for American player get millions contract unless he earn such thing.

    Jeremiah Massey make 850,000 euro from Real Madrid. This type salary after he have 2 great years in Greek league and 1 great year in Euroleague. It take much for player to be consider worth these big contract like Splitter get.

    For American player who play in NBA which Massey not do it also take prove ability in Europe unless player have big name in NBA. Qyntel Woods I think get 850,000 euro from Olympiacos and they is most willing to overspend team on players in Europe.

    He will not get such contract as Splitter unless he prove something in Europe and it true contract he get from Olympiacos is just because they is one team that is always ready to overpay.

    So American players is not face with same issue because money is not as much. It is mostly players like Darius Washington. NBA minimum or good dalary in Europe. But if this player is not able prove anything he will be out of Europe fast. Aris been try dump Washington contract after just one week have him. He will not get same contract again in Europe unless he improve a lot.

    Is not same issue as player like Splitter be ask turn down many millions.
    This is just economic law of supply and demand. Both leagues now competing for top players. The value of the players will hit an economic peak in accordance to the demand or value afforded to them by either league.
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    C'mon you guys know the first rule of business. He who has the money makes the rules. This is clearly a case of "Show me Da Money".

    I don't fault Tiago Splitter for this. 95% of all NBA players if offered 6 million to play in Europe vs 1-2 million to play in the NBA without a lucrative shoe contract would probably go play in Europe if their head is screwed on straight. Ask yourself what would you do if someone waved 6 million in front of you vs 1 million?

    The NBA is a business.
    He is not being asked to go play for the Charlotte Bobcats, win 15 games and make 1 or 2 mil next year. He had the chance to go play with the Spurs, a first rate organization that is always in contention for a le. To play alongside and learn from one of the best big men to ever lace up a pair of B-Ball shoes. To play for and learn from a great coach. So many perks to him coming to SA that have nothing to do with money it is insane. I sure as would be going to SA and leaving that extra cash on the table.
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    Which US rookies make $4 million in Euroleague?

    Give me some names.
    Hey I said if!! You know hypothetical situation??
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