depends who you get
spurs still have duncan
I do not want to trade him though
it is like saying spurs would never win another le without david robinson
Iguodala is a dime-a-dozen dunker whose defense is outlandishly overrated. Roy is Portland's franchise player and they'd laugh at San Antonio if anything short of Tim Duncan were offered.
J-Rich is really interesting. I don't know if it would make the Spurs a lot better or a lot worse, but it's interesting. But a starting lineup that averages 65% from the free throw line at ALL FIVE POSITIONS can't be healthy.
spurs do not have new york payroll
manu makes alot close to 10 million
if he can only play 40 games and less then half the minutes in them
spurs have to trade him
if he can play 25-30 minutes and miss 10 games and be ok for playoffs you keep him
Agree with 50 cent.
Few in here want to trade anyone. They get married to the players but if a good offer is available Manu would be the best player to trade since he has some value and is more likely to decline faster than Duncan or Parker.
if spurs trade any one the big three
you trade manu
if melo was a better player
I might even offer manu for him
Exactly. T Park just looks at what the spurs will lose . Not even considering what the spurs may gain.
Why wouldn't you get married to 3 players that gave you 3 championships in 6 years, and took you to the WCF this last year?
Plus you cannot get equal value in return, period.
If Manu could fetch you fair value, it would be great. It's not happening though. Manu playing this Summer defnitely isn't going to help things either. Catch 22.
LOL
What a stupid ing thread.
Y'all have a very short memory of what a healthy Manu brings to the table.
You don't buy high and sell low and a poor finals series on a bad ankle didn't exactly help Manu's value.
Yeah, Spurs need some youth. They know it. They knew three years ago that was a question and their contracts are staged to reload this summer and next summer.
Spurs can still be compe ive with the big three and a newer and younger set of role players.
You know why? Spurs have a system that works. if they get the new players to buy into the defensive mindset they can be successful in our system. The players that the Spurs pick up will probably make you scratch your head and go HUH?, but the fact is, with our big three role players a lot of the new guys will get open looks at the basket they only dreamed about on their previous teams. Lock down defense, good unselfish ball rotation in the half court...you will be surprised how no-name role players can flourish in that kind of system even if they can't create their own shot off the dribble...
There is no "might" about it. Ginobili IS going to start declining and probably very soon based on his style of play. It's not like there is a chance he might be great for the next 10 years.
BTW, Spurs struggled in these playoffs and ultimately lost because:
1) They got out rebounded and out hustled to loose balls
and
2) They missed wide open shots
was it age and fatigue?
probably...
On #1 a young no-name that buys into our system can bring that hustle better than an aging vet with creaky knees.
On #2 he will get open looks. Will he knock them down? Hey...thats why we watch...
Oh geez! The guy wasn't 100% and you want to ship him off. Ridiculous!
Because all the indicators are there, right? Like he had his best season in the NBA yet. Sure, he will decline sooner or later, but right now there's no indication that the guy that took us to the playoffs in the first place is on the decline.
Go read ESPNīs Hollinger then, Manu is developing a very reliable 3pt shoot that will keep him valuable until his contract expires to say the least.
He has also improved his midrange J and will likely continue to improve it.
His penetration will decline, but if he completes the transition into a JS the lanes may be more open to him balancing his drop in speed.
Of course you can continue with your opinion but what i said are just facts.
The Spurs only need TP to step up in the RS a lil bit more so that Manu donīt need to carry the team all by himself, this is also necessary for Tony if he is interested on becoming the cornerstone for the post Duncan era.
No. Won't/can't happen.
I hate seeing any player traded off the Lakers so I get your loyalty but I think you have to trade Manu for the betterment of the team.
Manu has high value so you can get 2 good players for 1 very good player. Spurs can pick up a scoring small forward and shooting guard at the same time.
You say that Manu's great and that he's the heart of this team. But then again, you have to wonder why he's the sixth man instead of a starter. It comes down to his being fragile, that's the knock on him.
You have an old team and you are spending $10 million on a guy who can't play more than 30 minutes a game. That is and will be the Spurs weakness, star players who can't play big minutes.
Manu averaged only 31 minutes this year and ran out of gas in the Playoffs. Pop will probably have to reduce him down to 25 minutes to make sure he's rested. , Timmy will have to play more minutes because Manu needs more rest.
Manu is shortening the careers of either Timmy or Tony because he needs rest and you gotta play Timmy or Tony more. Tony and Timmy already play 34 minutes a game, how much more will they have to play to give Manu even more rest next year?
25 minutes per game for your $10 million 3rd star player while forcing your Superstar to play more minutes to compensate for Manu's rest time.
Then you look at the Lakers and every single one of them top to bottom can run for 40 minutes except for Fish.
I'm not sure how this is good for the Spurs.
Last edited by Allanon; 05-30-2008 at 07:04 PM.
He hasn't even played 28 minutes per game in his career, the guy is overrated.
It's not a bad idea! I think they shop him around to see what teams offer! He's got arthrities in his ankle, he's been banged up all year and then he wants to play in the summer!!! He's gonna break his body down!! With all that and the summer I really don't think he'll be productive next year, unless coach Pop plays him 20 mins. a game!
---Explore the option---
That's why you're a Laker fan. Ginobili is not going anywhere.
The Spurs wouldn't get 2 good players for Manu right now. Most good players make as much as Manu does. So I don't know how you think the Spurs will get two of them. Teams aren't giving up the likes of Brandon Roy (or Carmelo Anthony like you mentioned in the other thread) for Manu.
Whether he starts or comes off the bench, he always plays 27-31 mpg. The reason he has been moved to the bench regularly is a) the bench had no scoring punch b) it's easier for him to score when he doesn't have to share the ball with Tim/Tony and c) because other Spurs have sucked in the bench role (i.e. Finley) and the Spurs try to get these players involved earlier in the offense. Manu starting or not starting doesn't have anything to do with him being "fragile."You say that Manu's great and that he's the heart of this team. But then again, you have to wonder why he's the sixth man instead of a starter.
The reason Manu got worn out this season was because Tony was hurt for over 2 months (off the court for a month of that) and Manu had to carry much more the load than in previous seasons.
Cutting Manu from 30 to 25 minutes won't increase Timmy's minutes, it will increase the load of the other Spurs wings. Manu can give you 18/4/4 in 25 minutes a game when rested, plus he is clutch and has an incredible will to win. I'll take that every day of the week for $10 million.Manu averaged only 31 minutes this year and ran out of gas in the Playoffs. Pop will probably have to reduce him down to 25 minutes to make sure he's rested. , Timmy will have to play more minutes because Manu needs more rest.
25 minutes per game for your $10 million 3rd star player while forcing your Superstar to play more minutes to compensate for Manu's rest time. I'm not sure how this is good for the Spurs.
19.5 ppg in the regular season. Highest points, rebounds, assists and 3 point percentage in his career.
18 ppg vs Suns
21, 6 and 5 vs the Hornets
Just because he was banged up/worn down against the Lakers doesn't mean he's fragile or finished.
actually i don't think too many people wonder about that anymore.
i don't even think argentina wonders about this.
It really doesn't mean that he can be productive after competing this summer! Besides he turns 31 & hes got an arthritic ankle! I'm just say lets see what teams might offer or what he can get, It doesn't mean we have to!
Carmelo is getting traded and he is the one who won't get equal value. Why not for Manu. Brandon Roy I agree is not obtainable.
As for 2 good players, there are a bunch of up and coming players that would fit that I mentioned earlier. They aren't each as good as Manu right now but they have potential and they aren't chopped liver right now either:
Travis Outlaw + Martell
Luol Deng + somebody
Jamal Crawford with David Lee or Nate Robinson or that wierd named dude
By trading in Manu for these young up and coming players, they get max value on Manu while also being good for the next 4 years.
When Manu is playing "too many minutes" at 31 minutes, I think that is fragile for such a relatively young player.Manu starting or not starting doesn't have anything to do with him being "fragile."
The reason Manu got worn out this season was because Tony was hurt for over 2 months (off the court for a month of that) and Manu had to carry much more the load than in previous seasons.
Timmy or Tony or Manu has to be on the floor at all times for the Spurs to go. So with Manu sitting, that leaves either Tony or Timmy on the floor to make up for those that Manu should be.Cutting Manu from 30 to 25 minutes won't increase Timmy's minutes, it will increase the load of the other Spurs wings.
Yes I agree, that's why the Nuggets would consider dumping Carmelo for Manu. They get a talented veteran without losing much in points. The Spurs get one of the best shooters in the game.Manu can give you 18/4/4 in 25 minutes a game when rested, plus he is clutch and has an incredible will to win. I'll take that every day of the week for $10 million.
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