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Trading Ginobili is just crazy talk.
Guy was hurt, he couldn't put any weight on his ankle, he had no balance or explosiveness because of it.
I don't agree.
I know this isn't going to go over well with the Church of Manu, but I think we saw a glimpse into his future this postseason. Sure, he was banged up and only a s of himself, but he relies so much on his athleticism. He is going to start losing that in the next couple of years and I think the Spurs need to start exploring the option of trading him while he still has some value.
Obviously, we would have to get the right fit in here to make any kind of move for a player like Manu and it couldn't be a prospect. I think a lot of teams would be interested in having him as a leader and helping them get over the hump.
Here are a few ideas:
Andre Iguodala - He would be awesome. He is 24 years old, plays great defense and has an all-around great game and will continue to improve.
Jason Richardson - 27 years old, great offensive game and would fit nicely as the 3rd piece. Also, Larry Brown loves vets and would love to have Ginobili.
Brandon Roy - 24, doubtful Portland would bite with their young base team, but maybe they want a leader like Manu.
Regardless, I think it's time to look at options. His game is going to decline in the next few years and he will become another version of Brent Barry once it happens.
Trading Ginobili is just crazy talk.
Guy was hurt, he couldn't put any weight on his ankle, he had no balance or explosiveness because of it.
I don't agree.
I am sorry, but the thought of trading Ginobili is just plain stupid.
keep in mind, that not only was he hurt, but he also had Kobe guarding him most of the series, and whether you want to admit it or not, Kobe is an outstanding defensive player.
Now on the other end of the spectrum........your signature images are brilliant !
It's not crazy talk. You guys need to try look at this objectively. Was Manu hurt? Of course he was, but this is just a perfect glimpse of what he will be in about 2-3 years when he loses a step.
Manu has taken a beating because of his style of play (which is awesome), but it puts more wear on players like him than a fundamental guy like Duncan.
Parker is still very young and improving so trading him is out of the question.
If we want to compete with LA, New Orleans, and Portland for the next 3 years while Duncan is still in his prime, we need more athleticism and I just don't think a 33 year old beat up Ginobili is the answer.
I love Ginobili and everything he has done for the franchise, but I want to squeeze 1 or 2 more Championships out of Duncan's career and the only way we are going to do that is by making a move to keep up with the Joneses. The only logical option for doing so is moving Manu for the right player.
Actually, no. Not gonna happen. NEXT!
Naw, I wouldn't trade him. But next season the Spurs need to find a way to save him for the playoffs. As I said in another thread, playing him 20 minutes a game and in only 40 games is the type of strategy I'm thinking about.
Ginobili's athleticism this year peaked in December and his performance peaked in February. Part of the performance part of that equation is related to injuries .... but a majority of the reason Ginobili's athleticism and performance declined was due to fatigue. Drastic measures have to be taken to make sure that doesn't happen next year in the playoffs ........ especially considering he'll be playing in the Olympics this summer.
I don't want to trade Manu but I also don't want to ignore the reality and have the Spurs go into next year without an active gameplan regarding how to save Manu for the postseason.
I see what you're saying, but the Spurs are not going to deal Ginobili. I see him getting more rest durng the season to insure he isnt hurt and/or fatigued in the playoffs.
He simply is too valuable to the core of the team and has been a MAJOR contributor in 2, if not 3 championship runs. He still has a lot left in his tank.
Manu for Tmac....
DD
LMAO!!! Keep dreaming!! GiNOSEbili has been EXPOSED!
If we're even thinking of doing that, we need a 50x better bench than what we currently have. Fact is, the West is loaded right now. Nobody knew the seeds until the last few days of the season. You can't coast anymore. That's the whole reason Pop couldn't rest any of the big 3 much anymore. Next season you need to add Portland to the mix too.
You know, we can't have the luxury of not having our top scorer out there for long stretches anymore. So either Manu learns how to pace himself better, or we basically get another two all-stars to cover for the other 3 that need the rest.
I would rather have Manu over Richardson.
No way either team moves Andre or Brandon for Manu.
To move Manu you'd have to take a loss and at this point I see no reason to take a loss. He's far from being done. He's only 30 and coming off his most productive season ever. I think you get 3 more good years out of him before the decline sets in.
But can the Spurs afford to only play him 20 minutes a game during the regular season? I think they need a bigger contributer than that. As we saw this postseason, home court advantage is no joke anymore. No longer can you coast through the regular season with no care if you are a #1 or #5 seed. We were lucky to scrape by New Orleans and it's not going to get any easier.
I know Manu is beloved by the Hispanic community and I think there is probably little chance that he will be traded, but I think if any of those 3 teams above would listen, we have to consider it.
I know his performance this Playoffs was based on his fatigue and injuries, but I just think this should set off a light bulb to the fans and the front office that this is what Manu's game is going to look like in a couple of years when, because of his style of play, from playing 100+ NBA games per season plus the Olympics takes a permanent toll on his body.
It would be entirely different if he were 27 or 28.
Iguodala and Roy are far better players and worth more than Manu is right now.
The kid is a young stud. No way they trade for an aging Manu, who has a history of injuries and breaking down.
No way. JRich is a nice player, but his head is not always screwed on straight.Jason Richardson - 27 years old, great offensive game and would fit nicely as the 3rd piece. Also, Larry Brown loves vets and would love to have Ginobili.
Huh? Why would Portland want to trade a very young stud player for an older stud who is beginning to break down?Brandon Roy - 24, doubtful Portland would bite with their young base team, but maybe they want a leader like Manu.
Regardless....
Trading Manu is not in the Spurs best interests. You could not get equal value for him. His age and injuries are going to hurt his value. So you'd be downgrading if you were to trade Manu.
Not an option.
What are the chances of the Spurs getting the #2 pick in the draft? Sources are saying that Miami is looking into shopping the pick....
You don't trade the heart and soul of your team.
You trade Ginobili, you flush any chances of winning a ring.
Far better players?
At their best, Manu still has an edge over both of them. I saw Iguodala in the playoffs. He doesn't know how to win. Several times in the clutch he drove right into a herd of defenders and screwed up the play. He's athletic but a dumb player. I don't think he will win us games in the playoffs. He's a third banana on a bad team trying to be their leader.
Roy is better rounded and will be a good player but hasn't even been in the playoffs. Ginobili is one of the best clutch players in the league. Yes, his health is a concern but when he's on he's in a different league then all but about 10 players in the league. He's a weapon that we should utilize, not wear down into dust, which is what happened this year when he valiantly played hard and kept the team going when Tony was injured.
Ginobili is probably going to play in the Olympics and come into camp even more beat. We do need to severely adjust his minutes as timvp suggested. But trading Manu would take months for the team to recover from. Many fans would never come back. I can't see Pop ever going for that trade. It would have to be a steal for us, and those two players are not steals.
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Lame thread.
enough with this crap, duncan, ginobili and parker are not going anywhere, we live and die with tham.
Those measures are way too drastic and neither he nor the coaching staff would ever go that far. I think 28 mins and 60 games is more realistic. I think Manu's biggest problem was that he suffered that groin injury in April, right before the playoffs, came back right before they started, and overcompensated for the groin and hurt the ankle. In past seasons the Spurs had such a cushion that they gradually slowed down the minutes for the big three in the last month or sat them some games altogether. This year with the standings being what they were and the conference so compe ive, everyone had to play harder and couldn't take games off.
For Manu (as well as Tim and Tony) to take most of April off and get fresh for the playoffs, the cast around them will have to be much better for the first 75 RS games next year.
Is Spurs under the NBA salary caps or are they still bother by this?
Unbelievable. You have to baby the guy by playing him only 20 min a game and only 40 games. You do that and the spurs don't make the playoffs.
If thats the case then trade him for a younger player who can play the entire season and the playoffs.
You don´t trade a player after his best season just because he "might" decline.
TD has 2-3 (and maybe 4) more years in him and Manu does have 2-3 (maybe 4), you can have brandon roy all you want but that would be idiotic because once duncan is gone say bye bye to any championship hopes for a while.
Also Manu was injured because A. He had to carry the team to make the PO (yes if Manu doesn´t go all out during that spurt during the regular season we are out of the playoff picture) and B. Pop choose to rest TD and then TP altogether while Manu, also needing rest, was the one who took the burden.
This is not to blame pop, he could have bet to rest Manu and try get the 8th seed (i have no doubt that we can beat the Lakers when healthy and even more in the first round of PO) but if this move failed then Pop was going to be really blamed.
On a side note i think if you trade Manu for Roy and the blazers get an average PG, you are boosting the Blazers into borderline contenders because Manu will be better than Roy next year and he will make that team grow faster.
i wouldnt say any of the players said in this thread are better or worse then manu....i do know this.....it would take sometime and some getting yelled at by pop before they would be ready to play team ball.......go spurs go
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