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    I have to agree with this, and go so far as to add, to with going into lux tax territory to do it.
    Do what is needed to get it done now while TD and Manu are still good to go so their monetary sacrifices don't go down the drain!
    They are at least deserved that. They made their sacrifice, now Holt needs to bite the bullet and pony up the money to get as good a player or players as can be gotten within the rules regardless of lux tax territory this coming year.
    Granted it's not my money, but in a certain respect, it is TD's and Manu's, or rather what they could have demanded from other less fiscally responsible teams.
    The Spurs are currently in no danger of exceeding the luxury tax and would be hard-pressed to actually find the players to spend that much money on through the complicated trades it would take to exceed the threshold this summer.

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    Nothing last forever, but to blame the staff for this years failure and make it seem like we're on the brink of "lotto" land is a little far fetched. My experience has always told me that for any team to win a le they have to be good and they have to have a lot of luck go their way, the no. 1 thing being avoiding injuries to key players or at key times. This was not our year when it came to that kind of luck. We started out great but once the injuries came the team bordered on mediocrity and god bless Manu for saving us from embarrassing losses to the Wolves, clippers and Bulls of the NBA world.

    And I just know if Manu is a 100% this season would have had a whole different ending.

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    Pop has never been much of a status quo guy, he revamped the team after thier le in 03 and basically did the same thing after 05. So last season was somewhat of a shock to me, since I firmly believe that a championship team should be kept together to defend, although I do agree that improvements can always be made, but not like the wholesale changes that the Spurs went through in 03, 04, and 05.
    I was fine with keeping this team together this season. I simply wanted to get some young projects in the pipeline for the future, which is now. I think the Spurs were trying to use the Toros that way, but there was no way to retain the best players when they got better jobs elsewhere. So they've kind of gone back to square one there with guys who need at least another year in the D-League before being considered Spur projects (guys like Josh Gross) -- but I guess we can see where the guys who were closer but went to Europe end up.

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    The Spurs are currently in no danger of exceeding the luxury tax and would be hard-pressed to actually find the players to spend that much money on through the complicated trades it would take to exceed the threshold this summer.
    Then they need to spend the money to bring in the quality players that they promised TD they would do, whether with the MLE, LLE, and through the draft and via trades. Unfortunately outside of the big 3 and Bruce, Ime, Brent, and Kurt, the Spurs have really nothing to offer that any other team really wants that is good trade fodder. They do have the Beno exception however and some 2nd round draft choices to barter with.
    My point is that Now, not later, is their window of opportunity as far as Manu and TD are concerned.
    Their only constraint will be the rules that apply to what a team that has exceeded the Max can and cannot do regardless of the Lux tax.
    Holt always maintained that the Lux tax was not really a consideration, yet moves, and non-moves, have been made in the past which show that it has.

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    Then they need to spend the money to bring in the quality players that they promised TD they would do, whether with the MLE, LLE, and through the draft and via trades. Unfortunately outside of the big 3 and Bruce, Ime, Brent, and Kurt, the Spurs have really nothing to offer that any other team really wants that is good trade fodder. They do have the Beno exception however and some 2nd round draft choices to barter with.
    My point is that Now, not later, is their window of opportunity as far as Manu and TD are concerned.
    Their only constraint will be the rules that apply to what a team that has exceeded the Max can and cannot do regardless of the Lux tax.
    Holt always maintained that the Lux tax was not really a consideration, yet moves, and non-moves, have been made in the past which show that it has.
    When did Holt say it WASN'T a consideration? Dude is largely responsible for the existence of the luxury tax.
    Holt said he is prepared to pay some type of luxury tax in the future, but he doesn't want the team's annual penalty to be much more than the modest $300,000 it paid following the 2002-03 season.

    "I can live with that," Holt said. "But I can't pay $50 million in luxury tax. I can't pay the kind of tax (Dallas owner) Mark Cuban and (Portland owner) Paul Allen have paid.
    http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b...r.bf51b3f.html

    Everything the Spurs have since done reflects this thinking. It has been consistent, so any schemes we think up should take it as a given.

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    When did Holt say it WASN'T a consideration? Dude is largely responsible for the existence of the luxury tax.


    http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b...r.bf51b3f.html

    Everything the Spurs have since done reflects this thinking. It has been consistent, so any schemes we think up should take it as a given.

    Exactly my point.

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    Exactly my point.
    Your point is the Spurs aren't going to exceed the luxury tax by much because they have won multiple championships without doing so?

    OK then....

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    Do you think he'll have the job next season?
    I hope not

    Let's put timvp or Kori in his place

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    I hope not

    Let's put timvp or Kori in his place
    We can dream.

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    http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/b...n.389a498.html

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    The top priority I think. You can usually get a guy like that where the Spurs draft (like Barbosa ).

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    Barbosa would not put up numbers he does if it were not for the suns system

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    Barbosa would not put up numbers he does if it were not for the suns system
    Being on the Suns makes him faster?

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    he was never picked to be a spur
    he scores more because of their fast o pace
    shot in less then 7 seconds

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    he was never picked to be a spur
    he scores more because of their fast o pace
    shot in less then 7 seconds
    He was never picked to be a Spur?

    He scores because of his quickness. That can be utilized on any NBA team.

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    So only Tim and Tony are signed through 2010-11? I want Manu to get a contract extension as well, to coincide with Tim and Tony. I don't think he'll ask for a lot of money, anyway. Do you guys think they'll resign Manu for a smaller price?

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    So only Tim and Tony are signed through 2010-11?
    Duncan, and Pop, are signed through the 2011-2012 season.

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