Well I cannot stand this.

[YellowFever]

Yeah, I'm pretty much here. It's stupid to think the league can or would put their hands in at all times -- clearly they haven't, as the Spurs' success can attest. It's a strawman to suggestion this is what people are saying.

Translation:

Every time the spurs win the league pretty much leaves things alone.

Everytime anyone else wins, it's fixed.

[Allanon]

chicago, boston, and the lakers are the NBA's sweathearts.
Chicago- Got the #1 pick with only a 2% chance of getting it
Boston- Lots of fixed calls in the Atlanta series.
LA- Wow, i dont even know where to start

The #1 pick is pretty crazy, just like a lottery. Even if you have the best chances to get #1, you still don't get it. SA wasn't the best chance to get Duncan but they got him anyways. Oden got picked to go to Portland? Why not New York? King James is in Cleveland?

Boston got reamed in Atlanta, Atlanta got reamed in Boston.

And let's not forget that Shaq was traded for Lamar Odom and Caron Butler
Caron Butler was then traded for Kwame Brown. Caron Butler and Odom are good players but they ain't Shaq. Kwame Brown is certainly not worth Caron Butler either.

The Lakers got screwed on those deals, was that some sort of conspiracy too or only the Pau one?

[DieMrBond]

I don't know whats worse - seeing the Lakers AND the Celtics in the Finals, or having to barrack for Kobe because theres no way I want to see Ray Allen or Kevin Garnett win the championship.

[endrity]

If it makes you feel any better, I am a Mavs fan and I also think that a lot of su ious things went down this year, and it's not the first time.

[1Parker1]

I think people are getting a little carried away with this whole NBA consipracy thing.

There's absolutely no doubt that Jerry West had a hand in the Pau Gasol trade and that it was a fishy trade from start to finish. Even a hardcore Laker fan won't be able to deny this.

There's also absolutely no doubt that KG and the Celtics got away with a lot of crap in that first round against the Hawks. If that had been Rasheed Wallace or someone else in that play, you bet your ass the NBA would have at least fined or suspended him.

There's also a good argument that can be made that Joey Crawford probably should not have been refereeing that Game 4. However, Spurs still had an opportunity to win that game if they had played better from the start so you can't really beleive that.

As for the league trying to "fix" it so that the Celts and Lakers would meet in the Finals, I'm not sure I believe that. League had no way of know that Ginobili, Billups, Hamilton would all be injured in the Conference Finals. If those guys had been healthy, I guarantee you both series would have had a completely different outlook, Joey Crawford or no Joey Crawford. Despite everything, Spurs had at least a 17 point lead in 3 out of the 5 games they played and they managed to lose 2 of those games still. You can't expect it to get any better than that.

[1Parker1]

If it makes you feel any better, I am a Mavs fan and I also think that a lot of su ious things went down this year, and it's not the first time.

Mav Fan thinks su ious things go on down EVERY year.

[LakersDomination]

This is pretty sad hearing all these Spurs fans cry about conspiracies. Did you guys think the league was fixed last year when they handed over the Spurs-Suns series to you guys even though the Suns were the better team. As a Laker fan I should have believed that the league was fixed those 4 years you guys won the championship? Maybe the league is only fixed every other year since you guys dont repeat.....I think the Spurs were in collusion with the Sonics to have Kurt Thomas handed over to the Spurs for free...PJ Carlisimo was told to release Barry by POP? Does that sound right? Stop embarrasing yourselves....you cant win every year so dont blame the league...if the league was fixed then they would rather have seen the SUNS in the finals last year and they would have rather have seen the Lakers play The Suns in the western conference Finals this year to have Shaq vs Kobe...so all this conspiracy stuff is just sore loser talk

[cobbler]

I think people are getting a little carried away with this whole NBA consipracy thing.

There's absolutely no doubt that Jerry West had a hand in the Pau Gasol trade and that it was a fishy trade from start to finish. Even a hardcore Laker fan won't be able to deny this.
There's also absolutely no doubt that KG and the Celtics got away with a lot of crap in that first round against the Hawks. If that had been Rasheed Wallace or someone else in that play, you bet your ass the NBA would have at least fined or suspended him.

There's also a good argument that can be made that Joey Crawford probably should not have been refereeing that Game 4. However, Spurs still had an opportunity to win that game if they had played better from the start so you can't really beleive that.

As for the league trying to "fix" it so that the Celts and Lakers would meet in the Finals, I'm not sure I believe that. League had no way of know that Ginobili, Billups, Hamilton would all be injured in the Conference Finals. If those guys had been healthy, I guarantee you both series would have had a completely different outlook, Joey Crawford or no Joey Crawford. Despite everything, Spurs had at least a 17 point lead in 3 out of the 5 games they played and they managed to lose 2 of those games still. You can't expect it to get any better than that.

Since there is absolutely "no doubt" as you say, i am still waiting to see the proof. You all keep bringing this up, we keep showing how it just wasnt that way, yet you keep babbling this BS and have YET TO BACK IT UP WITH ANY FACTS.

Either put up the proof or shut up about it already.

I had, keyword being had, nothing but respect for your organization and fans. I am losing a lot if it with all this whining and conspiricy talks. You are quickly making yourselves look like Kings or Suns fans.

Ouuuuuuuuuuuch

[DazedAndConfused]

What's in it for MEM?

Why would they do such a deal if it would screw up their franchise? Anyone.........anyone?

The answer is they wanted to clear caproom because they are selling the team. It didn't matter what expiring contract they got because they planned on dumping that player when the season was over. They got the draft picks they wanted and a couple nice young players as well. It was exactly what they wanted since they are selling the team. The new owners will have a slew of picks at their fingertips and a ton of young contracts to play with.

[GrandeDavid]

Your ing piece of lone star city

Your at ude is pathetic and you are a damn disgrace to my country and its overseas image, insulting a wonderful city, which is a part of the country in which you probably reside. You are the same fool who cannot identify Indonesia on a map. You make me sick reading a comment like that. Grow up or, if you are not a punk teenager, then perhaps try getting your ass kicked up and down the street and see if that won't adjust your at ude.

[GrandeDavid]

There have been two big jokes related to the NBA's glamor teams this post-season...

* KG pushes a ref and gets away with it

* Joey Crawford had no business being near any of our WCF games

I called in and canceled my league pass this week, told them it wasn't worth it any more because the refereeing is a joke and the league doesn't want to market anyone outside of LA, Boston, and Lebron. As a basketball fan I'm tired of having the league and its affiliates (ABC, ESPN, TNT) try to tell me who I should watch and root for.

that, I'm a basketball fan and a purist of the game, and the league has lost my interest.

I'll still watch the Spurs play when they're on the networks but Stern and co. have done a good job convincing me to find better things to do with my time and money than watch NBA hoops.

That's been my at ude since the mid-nineties. I would only buy tickets to a Spurs game and will only watch Spurs games, and once they are out of the playoffs, so goes my interest in the NBA. I could care less about watching one Finals game, nor do I watch the Halftime Show or whatever its called.

[Mr. Body]

Mav Fan thinks su ious things go on down EVERY year.

Did you watch the 2005 Finals? They have a right to it.

[whottt]

Ehh...I am on the fence as to whether or not the NBA is completely corrupt. If they are corrupt...were they corrupt when were winning 4 NBA les, or just when we lose?


That said...the officiating certainly could be corrupt and Joey Crawford has a proven bias against Tim Duncan, and he shouldn't have been allowed to ref these games...and the NBA deserves every bit of speculation it gets over that matter.



Here's the deal, whether you think the NBA is rigged or not...there's absolutely no doubt many people suspect it is rigged...it's gets far more of these allegations than any of the other pro-sports...and when they do somethng stupid like let Garnett push a ref or allow Joey Crawford to ref pivotal Spurs games...it only increases those su ions.


Is the NBA totally corrupt? Probably not...


Are they the responsible party for the view that they are corrupt? Yeap.


Will it hurt the NBA if they are truly corrupt? Probably not...it didn't hurt wrestling...in fact it helped wrestling.



In a perfect world, any sort of deciet or negativity would be met with a lightning strike...but it isn't a perfect world...


And just as the troll gets exactly what he wants from his negative behavior, and is rewarded by the "smart good posters" who despise trolls, yet generously give him the reward he seeks by bumping his threads...

Cheating, controversey and publicity probably do more to help the NBA than harm it...as does putting the teams with the most fans in the finals.


In short...if you want to fight this, ing about it does nothing, neither does continuing to watch while ing about it...the smart thing to do is to stop watching...but you probably won't...just like those "smart" posters can't resist bumping troll threads.


If you think the NBA is completely rigged yet continue to watch and about it...you aren't part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

[sedale threatt]

What's in it for MEM?

Why would they do such a deal if it would screw up their franchise? Anyone.........anyone?

David Stern, Jerry West, Mitch Kupchak, NBC, and Dr. Evil offered the Memphis GM and ownership a chance for their wives to have a night of magic with Sasha and Luke Walton. Obviously they could not turn this down. It is all part of the conspiracy against the Mighty Spurs Dynasty.

[whottt]

David Stern, Jerry West, Mitch Kupchak, NBC, and Dr. Evil offered the Memphis GM and ownership a chance for their wives to have a night of magic with Sasha and Luke Walton. Obviously they could not turn this down. It is all part of the conspiracy against the Mighty Spurs Dynasty.

Just out of curiosity...who is the Memphis GM?

What state is he from?


What state is Jerry West from?


Who reccomended the Memphis Gm for that job?




Without a doubt, Jerry West raided the Grizzlies...soley to benefit the Lakers. And white trash stick together. Like snot...


He wasn't GM'ing for the Grizzlies...he was scouting for the Lakers.


That CHOKING piece of needs to be off the logo...


All that said...the Grizzlies owner is stupid and the ultimate responsiblity lies with him...


But anyone acting like Jerry West is class makes me want to puke about as badly as anyone acting like the Lakers are class...

[sedale threatt]

Are you saying that David Stern and Dr. Evil were not involved?

[Spur-Addict]

Just out of curiosity...who is the Memphis GM?

What state is he from?


What state is Jerry West from?


Who reccomended the Memphis Gm for that job?




Without a doubt, Jerry West raided the Grizzlies...soley to benefit the Lakers. And white trash stick together. Like snot...


He wasn't GM'ing for the Grizzlies...he was scouting for the Lakers.


That CHOKING piece of needs to be off the logo...


All that said...the Grizzlies owner is stupid and the ultimate responsiblity lies with him...


But anyone acting like Jerry West is class makes me want to puke about as badly as anyone acting like the Lakers are class...

.........()........

[Purple & Gold]

Official spur Fan Meltdown Thread??

[DazedAndConfused]

Just out of curiosity...who is the Memphis GM?

What state is he from?


What state is Jerry West from?


Who reccomended the Memphis Gm for that job?




Without a doubt, Jerry West raided the Grizzlies...soley to benefit the Lakers. And white trash stick together. Like snot...


He wasn't GM'ing for the Grizzlies...he was scouting for the Lakers.


That CHOKING piece of needs to be off the logo...


All that said...the Grizzlies owner is stupid and the ultimate responsiblity lies with him...


But anyone acting like Jerry West is class makes me want to puke about as badly as anyone acting like the Lakers are class...

Get your straight before you spew excrement out of your mouth. First of all, Jerry West took an expansion team that was going NOWHERE and helped guide them towards making the playoffs and becoming a 50 win team. He left when he saw that the owners wanted to sell the team off and had no interest in building a winning franchise.

In fact, he's been gone for over a year since the Gasol trade went down. And Gasol has been on the market for quite awhile now, no team wanted to pony up the money for him. Let's face it, he's not a #1 option yet he makes that kind of money. Not many teams can afford or even have a need for a guy that makes near max money yet doesn't produce like one. The Lakers were the perfect fit in every way. They had everything MEM wanted and could provide Gasol with the perfect environment to finish off his career in.

I find it funny that nobody is mentioning that NOH made a very similar trade. Remember the Baron Davis trade, can you name me the sorry POS players that GSW gave up? I bet you can't because none of them are even playing in the NBA anymore. Look at NOH now, they are a top tier team. Sometimes, unloading your max salary players and starting over IS a smart move.

[DazedAndConfused]

Official spur Fan Meltdown Thread??

Yup this thread le needs to be renamed.

Spur fan is NO different than Sun fan that he demeaned for so many years.

[cobbler]

Just out of curiosity...who is the Memphis GM?

What state is he from?


What state is Jerry West from?


Who reccomended the Memphis Gm for that job?




Without a doubt, Jerry West raided the Grizzlies...soley to benefit the Lakers. And white trash stick together. Like snot...


He wasn't GM'ing for the Grizzlies...he was scouting for the Lakers.


That CHOKING piece of needs to be off the logo...


All that said...the Grizzlies owner is stupid and the ultimate responsiblity lies with him...


But anyone acting like Jerry West is class makes me want to puke about as badly as anyone acting like the Lakers are class...

Wow! Stooping to an all time low for a spurs fan. Pulling the race card. Unbelievable!!! This has to be the most moronic post of the decade.

Well, you spurs fans, the minorityof which i am hopping, have actually done it.

YOU HAVE LOWERED YOURSELF BELOW THAT OF THE WHINING KINGS AND SUNS FANS. I never thought it possible but ill give credit where credit is do.
Your the whiniest sorest losers of the league.

Congrats!

[Purple & Gold]

Yup this thread le needs to be renamed.

Spur fan is NO different than Sun fan that he demeaned for so many years.

It's classic actually. spur fan has reached a new low.

[td4mvp21]

The only fishy thing to me was the Gasol trade, and that's because the summer before last season, the Bulls were going after Gasol and the Grizzlies wanted too much in return. Why would they all of a sudden not want anything in return? That doesn't make sense to me at all. Stern may not have had a hand in it, but Jerry West definitely did IMO.

Once Gasol was on the Lakers however, they got to the Finals fair and square IMO. The Barry situation was a bad no call, but we had plenty of breaks due to officiating BEFORE that. What makes me mad is that we were getting cheap calls on the Lakers and then the one foul that wasn't called was actually a foul.

Suspensions should have been handed down to Garnett in the first round series-he pushed an official. Duncan got suspended for the same thing seasons ago. Also, Stoudemire and Diaw got suspended for violating the rules so why didn't Garnett? Also sounds su ious.

So there are a few su ious things to me, but overall I think the Celtics and the Lakers are the two best teams in the league right now, and are rightfully in the Finals. I've got to wonder though if there really is a conspiracy in the league and how long it has been going on. Maybe it's been going on for seasons. Maybe there is none at all.

[theFrog]

The only fishy thing to me was the Gasol trade, and that's because the summer before last season, the Bulls were going after Gasol and the Grizzlies wanted too much in return. Why would they all of a sudden not want anything in return? That doesn't make sense to me at all. Stern may not have had a hand in it, but Jerry West definitely did IMO.

Maybe the Grizzles wanted 10 million in cap room instead of Luol Deng

[td4mvp21]

Maybe the Grizzles wanted 10 million in cap room instead of Luol Deng

....so then why didn't they get that cap room from the Bulls?