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    javtokas is twice the man oberto is

    his offensive game is limited, but his better than oberto defensively, rebounds, blocks, and yeh he would jam it instead of putting up pussy shots.

    javtokas at the correct price of the minimum, i would do it.
    Who wouldn't?

    Oh, that's right -- Javtokas wouldn't.

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    Ouch. I think when it's all over we might look back and wonder why the Spurs didn't win more les...

    Seems to me we put all of eggs in one basket, time and time again.

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    agreed with mr body....having someone with length and blocking ability woulda really helped.....all those ally-oops, easy layups, easy 3-6 foot jumpshots...duncan can cover all the paint....go spurs go

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    Ouch. I think when it's all over we might look back and wonder why the Spurs didn't win more les...
    I don't know about that. The Spurs have pretty much been right there every year since Duncan's second. With a level playing field under the post-lockout CBA, that's about all you can ask for. That's not to say that we won't be disappointed over '04, '06, or '08.

    As long as there is a salary cap, I don't think you're going to see too many teams roll off 4 les in a decade (not that it was done that often in the pre-salary cap era).

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    Buck Harvey with the SpursTalk remix.
    Thats all he does.

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    Still, the frontline was not the Spurs’ weakness this year, and it won’t be without Splitter. They instead need a fourth scorer, someone who makes the regular season easier for everyone.
    In RC's defense, I think he figured this out last summer. In the draft, they wanted Daequan Cook (Splitter was their second option). Cook is basically a chucker who can score in bunches and would make the regular season easier. The only reason you target Cook is if you think the team needs more scoring.

    But yeah, this summer RC must land a fourth scorer ... whether it's in the draft, in free agency or via trade. If the Spurs enter next season without a fourth scorer, they're toast.

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    RC doesn't have an easy job in SA. He has to provide players to a coach who is extremely finicky about the talent he coaches. Pop requires players who are polished and ready to go, or who at least require minimal effort when it comes to the basics. Raw talent does not wow him. Beno is a perfect example. On just about any other team in the NBA, Beno is in the rotation. He can score from outside and get to the rim. He can drop a few trick passes along the way. When compared to what plays the point position in the NBA, Beno is above average. Most coaches would play Beno at least 25 minutes a night and most GMs would be deemed to have pulled a steal out of the draft at #28 with such a player. Not in San Antonio. It's quite hard to find young talent which will meet with Pop's approval. So you go after experienced talent. Of course, experienced players cost a lot more than younger ones...unless they are near the end of their careers, are no longer stars, and are willing to take a small contract for a shot at a ring.

    RC also has a difficult job because of Holt. How many NBA ownership groups do you think would have a hard time paying the luxury tax to add yet more talent to a team that just won 3 les in 5 years? How many would force their front office to make dumb basketball moves over relatively small amounts of $? Yeah, Scola is at the forefront of everyone's mind, but if Pop hadn't forced Holt to relent then the Spurs would have lost Tony Parker over $2 million across 6 years during the negotiations for his current contract. And of course, according to the average fan, it would have been RC's fault that the Spurs lost TP, not Holt's.

    Of course, most fans don't think of these things. They loudly, as if somehow they could do better given the constraints RC faces.

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    RC doesn't have an easy job in SA. He has to provide players to a coach who is extremely finicky about the talent he coaches. Pop requires players who are polished and ready to go, or who at least require minimal effort when it comes to the basics. Raw talent does not wow him. Beno is a perfect example. On just about any other team in the NBA, Beno is in the rotation. He can score from outside and get to the rim. He can drop a few trick passes along the way. When compared to what plays the point position in the NBA, Beno is above average. Most coaches would play Beno at least 25 minutes a night and most GMs would be deemed to have pulled a steal out of the draft at #28 with such a player. Not in San Antonio. It's quite hard to find young talent which will meet with Pop's approval. So you go after experienced talent. Of course, experienced players cost a lot more than younger ones...unless they are near the end of their careers, are no longer stars, and are willing to take a small contract for a shot at a ring.

    RC also has a difficult job because of Holt. How many NBA ownership groups do you think would have a hard time paying the luxury tax to add yet more talent to a team that just won 3 les in 5 years? How many would force their front office to make dumb basketball moves over relatively small amounts of $? Yeah, Scola is at the forefront of everyone's mind, but if Pop hadn't forced Holt to relent then the Spurs would have lost Tony Parker over $2 million across 6 years during the negotiations for his current contract. And of course, according to the average fan, it would have been RC's fault that the Spurs lost TP, not Holt's.

    Of course, most fans don't think of these things. They loudly, as if somehow they could do better given the constraints RC faces.

    Sounds like you work directly with the Spurs Org.

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    Sounds like you work directly with the Spurs Org.
    Nope.

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    Sparky - don't forget about losing SJax over not wanting to give him a 4 year, $20 mil deal...

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    Sparky - don't forget about losing SJax over not wanting to give him a 4 year, $20 mil deal...
    5 years and guaranteed starting spot

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    In that case, you definitely need to apply.

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    In that case, you definitely need to apply.
    Because they're looking for someone who will criticize ownership?

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    5 years and guaranteed starting spot
    guaranteed starting spot cost sj
    I think he would have stayed if it was just money

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    mess up and he is on the hot seat

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    Pop won't play anybody that doesn't play defense and stick to our defensive system. THAT is the reason Beno didn't stay with us.

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    Pop won't play anybody that doesn't play defense and stick to our defensive system. THAT is the reason Beno didn't stay with us.

    Uh, please stop being wrong all the time.

    Thanks.

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    We've been close on a lot of things but for different reasons they didn't work out. Just think - if the Barry/JR Smith trade paperwork had gone through 5 minutes earlier, and JR played as well as he did this year for Denver, a good portion of our problems would be gone and RC would be the genius of the decade. Who knows? We might have still been playing at this point in the season.

    I'm not going to blame it all on RC. Everything had been going so well for us all we needed were minor players, and given our success I wonder how many teams want to make a deal with us.

    We've lost a lot of talented personnel through the years, which doesn't help either.

    That's why it's hard to stay on top for very long.

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    We've been close on a lot of things but for different reasons they didn't work out. Just think - if the Barry/JR Smith trade paperwork had gone through 5 minutes earlier, and JR played as well as he did this year for Denver, a good portion of our problems would be gone and RC would be the genius of the decade. Who knows? We might have still been playing at this point in the season.
    But who's to say Smith's sporadic offense, reckless decision making, and lack of consitent defensive effort & experience doesn't help cost us some opportunities at winning the championships we have? Barry has been clutch for this team ever since he was signed and has fit better in the system. If J.R.'s more boneheaded plays landed him in Pop's doghouse that would also have shortened the bench even further on many occasions.
    Last edited by Kori Ellis; 06-08-2008 at 03:10 AM. Reason: Fixed your code

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    Buck copies and pastes from Spurstalk more than boutons does from democraticunderground.org over on the political forum.
    Poor Aggie, he's so obsessed with my Aggie slappings in the political forum that he drags his hemorrhaged, dilated anus (I've ripped him a few new ones in the political forum) to the sports forum and injects boutons into this thread.

    As is typical of all Aggie bubbas, he's fact-challenged and a total liar. I've never even visited the democraticunderground.org site, never mind copy/paste from it. Aggie, provide a link to the political forum where I copied from democratic underground. Can't do it? Owned your pathetic self, again.

    Aggie, you little less twerp, keep embarrassing yourself, the laughing stock of Spurstalk.

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    We've been close on a lot of things but for different reasons they didn't work out. Just think - if the Barry/JR Smith trade paperwork had gone through 5 minutes earlier, and JR played as well as he did this year for Denver, a good portion of our problems would be gone and RC would be the genius of the decade. Who knows? We might have still been playing at this point in the season.

    I'm not going to blame it all on RC. Everything had been going so well for us all we needed were minor players, and given our success I wonder how many teams want to make a deal with us.

    We've lost a lot of talented personnel through the years, which doesn't help either.

    That's why it's hard to stay on top for very long.
    It wasn't late paperwork. The money didn't quite work, and we needed to get a third team involved to take a small salary. Few teams have cap room during the season, but Atlanta did that year. Unfortunately, Billy Knight wasn't answering his phone...on trade deadline day.

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    Uh, please stop being wrong all the time.

    Thanks.
    I'm gonna play your game...

    You're wrong. Search the forums for the reason why you're wrong.

    You keep talking a lot and saying nothing.

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    I'm gonna play your game...

    You're wrong. Search the forums for the reason why you're wrong.

    You keep talking a lot and saying nothing.
    Oh, snap.

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    It wasn't late paperwork. The money didn't quite work, and we needed to get a third team involved to take a small salary. Few teams have cap room during the season, but Atlanta did that year. Unfortunately, Billy Knight wasn't answering his phone...on trade deadline day.

    I got the reasons of this trade confused with a previous failed trade, I believe the Malik/Kurt Thomas deal.

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