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    BUSsell Will Spur-Addict's Avatar
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    6 rings, no bigs (because Horace Grant and Dennis Rodman were such slouches ), no zone defense, and the best perimeter defender to ever play the game in Scottie Pippen.

    Jordan's legacy is untouchable. Kobe can get there but there's a 99% chance he doesn't. To be fair, the game is so much different today that comparisons make good for drunken discussions at bars and little else.
    Yeah, Horace and Rodman are up their with Shaq and Gasol.

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    Kobe had an interview just aired, it must be on you tube by now. He says he doesn't want to be compared with MJ. He wants people to judge him as he plays, for his ability. All he is trying to do is be the best player he can be and no comparison is wanted. It is, however, done by the media and the fans. I could give a crap who is better and by how much. Kobe is playing now, and winning games for my favorite team in sports. He'll be done someday, just as MJ already is, but I am going to enjoy KB24 while he's around.

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    You raped a girl. There, now you've been accused of rape too. Luckily for you and Kobe both accusation isn't equivalent to guilt.

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    Jordan was great on and off the court those comments are Tysonesque. Well maybe not. Still the best and no one is ever going to touch that.

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    wow all this time i had my facts wrong about the oakley trade....i could have sworn i had read where MJ wanted oakley gone....instead he seems to have wanted to keep Oakley.

    MJ is a complete asshole. He is a womanizing, gambling, cheating, control freak of a jerk. However, he is the biggest name in the history of the NBA. He sold out more arenas than any other player. He sold more shoes and merchandise than any other player. I have never been a fan of his.....even in college, since I hate UNC....but I must give him credit for being one of the greatest basketball players ever. He beat Magic, Drexler, Barkley, Payton & Kemp, Stockton and Malone in the Finals....

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    Yeah, Horace and Rodman are up their with Shaq and Gasol.
    Rodman is one of the greatest defensive players to ever play in the NBA. He is also one of the greatest rebounders ever, as well.

    In college he was scoring machine, go look up his stats. However, in the NBA, he found his niche and perfected his craft. He was a specialist and was dominant at what he did.

    Rodman would put Gasol on complete lockdown. I would take Rodman over Pau anyday of the week.

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    MJ wanted oakley gone....instead he seems to have wanted to keep Oakley.
    Actually, MJ wanted Oakley to stay, and he was pissed when they traded Oakley for Cartwright.

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    Actually, MJ wanted Oakley to stay, and he was pissed when they traded Oakley for Cartwright.
    thats what i just said.....

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    Rodman is one of the greatest defensive players to ever play in the NBA. He is also one of the greatest rebounders ever, as well.

    In college he was scoring machine, go look up his stats. However, in the NBA, he found his niche and perfected his craft. He was a specialist and was dominant at what he did.

    Rodman would put Gasol on complete lockdown. I would take Rodman over Pau anyday of the week.
    I compared the tandoms more so than the individuals. Pau isn't a poor defender, but in regards to building a team, i'd choose Pau. He can do more and he isn't a offensive liability. Scoring in the NBA and scoring in college (not D1 for Rod) is totally different. Pau is a B grade Big man. Hard to come across those. He brings more to the table overall. He can just about fit anywhere, whereas Rodman is more effective in systems where he doesn't have to score more. Pau hasn't finished his career yet, but as of now, Rodman has shown to be the better player.

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    I'm just pointing out the utter hypocrisy that exists when people act like Kobe is some sort of whiny primadonna. So was Jordan. In fact he was worse.
    There is no hypocrisy; they're both whiny primadonnas. That's not to say they aren't good players.

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    Jordan was probably the greatest basketball player ever, however, I never understood people's constant need of sucking his . He wasnt perfect, he wasnt a model human being, he was just a basketball player.

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    Here's a quote that Michael Jordan never had attributed to him -

    "Can I on your face?"

    Too bad Kobe can't say the same.

    Oh, and Michael's also never been on a police report selling out one of his teammates.

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    Here's a quote that Michael Jordan never had attributed to him -

    "Can I on your face?"

    Too bad Kobe can't say the same.

    Oh, and Michael's also never been on a police report selling out one of his teammates.
    Police report? Where's this????...I need to see it!....(Discovers...Shakes head in disappointment, but thinks....Yeah, it is Kobe after all)
    Last edited by Spur-Addict; 06-01-2008 at 05:40 PM. Reason: Found Report

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    To be the best you have to learn from the best. No doubt Kobe absorbed as much as he could from Mike's game, but he has been able to expand upon that and diversify his offensive skills in a way that Jordan never did.
    You are stupid.

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    6 rings, no bigs (because Horace Grant and Dennis Rodman were such slouches ), no zone defense, and the best perimeter defender to ever play the game in Scottie Pippen.

    Jordan's legacy is untouchable. Kobe can get there but there's a 99% chance he doesn't. To be fair, the game is so much different today that comparisons make good for drunken discussions at bars and little else.
    Your right about the game being different today. It was made easier for wing players. If Jordan played with todays rules he would average 45pts. a game.

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    Your right about the game being different today. It was made easier for wing players. If Jordan played with todays rules he would average 45pts. a game.
    No.

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    Just got back from playing ball at the park, with a bunch of hard nosed football players who play rough and just foul to make up for their lack of skill. In a way that's like how it was in the Jordan era compared to now, much much harder for a guard to slash and get to the rim, or do anything for that matter. Try scoring with someone handchecking you and hitting you on the arms while you shoot, it becomes a totally different ballgame. Today's NBA is charmin soft and defense is a lost art. Kobe wouldn't even be Kobe had he played back then, much less on Jordan's level.

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    I won't even talk about the way Jordan dominated both sides of the ball like no one ever has, except for maybe Hakeem. Don't want to make GayandConfused cry. It's tough being a great defensive player, there are none in today's league, but just the energy you expend alone will take away from you on the offensive end as well.

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    Just got back from playing ball at the park, with a bunch of hard nosed football players who play rough and just foul to make up for their lack of skill. In a way that's like how it was in the Jordan era compared to now, much much harder for a guard to slash and get to the rim, or do anything for that matter. Try scoring with someone handchecking you and hitting you on the arms while you shoot, it becomes a totally different ballgame. Today's NBA is charmin soft and defense is a lost art. Kobe wouldn't even be Kobe had he played back then, much less on Jordan's level.
    I watched those games back in the day and I've watched them again on DVD and ESPN Classic. And your assessment of 80's/90's basketball is a huge sack of wrong. Team defense, along with the legalization of the zone, make it harder to score today than in the 80's and early 90's.

    Michael is the greatest or second greatest player ever (along with Wilt), but he's average a few less points in today's game.

    Sincerely,
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    I watched those games back in the day and I've watched them again on DVD and ESPN Classic. And your assessment of 80's/90's basketball is a huge sack of wrong. Team defense, along with the legalization of the zone, make it harder to score today than in the 80's and early 90's.

    Michael is the greatest or second greatest player ever (along with Wilt), but he's average a few less points in today's game.

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    Amen. Go watch the 80's Celtics/Lakers finals games and you can see that the defense played back then was extremely poor compared to today. IMHO it is a lot harder to score now than it was back in the 80's and early 90's.

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    I own Allanon mavs>spurs2's Avatar
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    I watched those games back in the day and I've watched them again on DVD and ESPN Classic. And your assessment of 80's/90's basketball is a huge sack of wrong. Team defense, along with the legalization of the zone, make it harder to score today than in the 80's and early 90's.

    Michael is the greatest or second greatest player ever (along with Wilt), but he's average a few less points in today's game.

    Sincerely,
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    Is that why shooting guards in the 90's were mostly spot up shooters as opposed to slashers? John Starks, Reggie Miller, Dan Majerle, Allan Houston, etc come to mind. It was harder for guards to penetrate, period. I thought it was common knowledge that the league has been trying to make it easier for perimeter players to score in order to find the "next Jordan." Go watch classic Bulls/Knicks battles and you can't say the defense in today's league is on that level.

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    Stop attempting to justify what Kobe does. They aren't comparable. Jordan is the best ever, where Kobe is trying to be Mike. Big difference, they compare Kobe to Mike where Mike is Mike. Tell Kobe to get his own walk, his own swagger, his own tone of speaking, his own playing style....He**, he even cheats on his wife like Mike does (or did) etc. -- Swagger Jackin' a** Kobe, F- outta here
    I'd be mad if he ended my teams' season too.

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    Kobe wouldn't have been able to touch Michael if they entered the league in the same year.

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    It's also nice to see DazedAndConfused evolve into an attention whoring piece of who wants a pat on the back from everyone on SpursTalk for his team making the Finals. Even threads like this where he tries to deflect the rape angle from Kobe, it's obvious what he's doing.

    It's hard to believe this isn't pinked whilst SpursDynasty is.

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