Say Goodbye to the Mirage Economy

[boutons_]

"Let's let the government handle our health care"

if not the govt, who else the corps who rip us off now? Give them s/s, medicare/caid, our waters, our highways, the military?, the police/fire, all privatized and unregulated?

[Clandestino]

boutons is such a lost little boy... hates the government, but then wants it to do everything for him as well...

[boutons_]

clanny, go yourself.

What are you doing, with your stinking ass, to correct all the ups of the dubya and his henchmen?

I didn't say I hate government (provide link), and I'm not surprised you make yet another huge mistake in basic comprehension.

I hate the Repugs' willfully incompetent govt, how they disrespect and up the govt under their control, always to the advantage of their paymasters, in every single dept, weakening rules, violating rules, ignoring rules, not enforcing rules. Citizens and the environment are always the losers, business mgmt and capitalists always the winners under the Repugs.

It's not saying much, but govt can be done a lot better than the Repugs' destruction of govt. The govt AIN'T NEVER going away, so we better make the best of it, as eternally hard as that is.

Handing govt to business is one sure way to it up even more (see current health care system, see unregulated private investment banks and markets, etc, etc).

[balli]

have you guys seen the northerners eating from the trash lately? i forget the term for them.

So by southern half do you mean anyone who's conservative? Because I can play the same game and say all the liberal northerners and easterners are ed up.

It's just as baseless as your claim. Man, that was easy.

the South. 'em. We should have let them go when they wanted to leave. But no, we had to kill half a million people so they'd stay part of our special Union. Fighting for the right to keep slaves - yeah, those are states we want to keep.

And now what do we get? We're the ing Arrogant Northeast Liberal Elite? How about this for arrogant: the South is the Real America? The Authentic America. Really?

Cause we ing founded this country, assholes. Those Founding Fathers you keep going on and on about? All that bull about what you think they meant by the Second Amendment giving you the right to keep your assault weapons in the glove compartment because you didn't bother to read the first half of the ing sentence? Who do you think those wig-wearing lacy-shirt sporting revolutionaries were? They were ing blue-staters, head. Boston? Philadelphia? New York? o? Think there might be a reason all the ing monuments are up here in our backyard?

No, No. Get the out. We're not letting you visit the Liberty Bell and ing Plymouth Rock anymore until you get over your real American selves and start respecting those other nine amendments. Who do you think those ing stripes on the flag are for? Nine are for ing blue states. And it would be 10 if those Vermonters had gotten their ing Subarus together and broken off from New York a little earlier. Get it? We started this , so don't get all uppity about how real you are you Johnny-come-lately "Oooooh I've been a state for almost a hundred years" heads. off.

Arrogant? You wanna talk about us Northeasterners being ing arrogant? What's more American than arrogance? Hmmm? Maybe horsies? I don't think so. Arrogance is the ing cornerstone of what it means to be American. And I wouldn't be so ing arrogant if I wasn't paying for your ing bridges, .

All those Federal taxes you love to hate? It all comes from us and goes to you, so shut up and enjoy your ing Tennessee Valley Authority electricity and your fancy highways that we paid for. And the next time Florida gets hit by a hurricane you can come crying to us if you want to, but you're the ones who built on a ing swamp. "Let the Spanish keep it, it’s a hole," we said, but you had to have your ing orange juice.

The next wad who says, "It’s your money, not the government's money" is gonna get their ass kicked. Nine of the ten states that get the most federal ing dollars and pay the least... can you guess? Go on, guess. That’s right, mother er, they're red states. And eight of the ten states that receive the least and pay the most? It’s too easy, asshole, they’re blue states. It’s not your money, assholes, it’s ing our money. What was that Real American Value you were spouting a minute ago? Self reliance? Try this for self reliance: buy your own ing stop signs, assholes.

Let’s talk about those values for a ing minute. You and your Southern values can bite my ass because the blue states got the values over you ing Real Americans every day of the goddamn week. Which state do you think has the lowest divorce rate you marriage-hyping wads? Well? Can you guess? It’s ing Massachusetts, the ing center of the gay marriage universe. Yes, that’s right, the state you love to tie around the neck of anyone to the left of Strom Thurmond has the lowest divorce rate in the ing nation. Think that’s just some aberration? How about this: 9 of the 10 lowest divorce rates are ing blue states, asshole, and most are in the Northeast, where our values suck so bad. And where are the highest divorce rates? Care to ing guess? 10 of the top 10 are ing red-ass we're-so- ing-moral states. And while Nevada is the worst, the Bible Belt is doing its ing part.

But two guys making out is going to ing ruin marriage for you? Yeah? Seems like you're ruining it pretty well on your own, you little bas s. Oh, but that's ok because you go to church, right? I mean you do, right? Cause we ing get to hear about it every goddamn year at election time. Yes, we're fascinated by how you get up every Sunday morning and sing, and then you're ing towers of moral superiority. Yeah, that's a workable formula. Maybe us ing Northerners don't talk about religion as much as you because we're not so busy sinning, hmmm? Ever think of that, you self-righteous assholes? No, you're too busy erecting giant stone tablets of the Ten Commandments in buildings paid for by the ing Northeast Liberal Elite. And who has the highest murder rates in the nation? It ain't us up here in the North, assholes.

Well this gravy train is ing over. Take your liberal-bashing, federal-tax-leaching, confederate-flag-waving, holier-than-thou, hypocritical bull and shove it up your ass.

And no, you can't have your ing convention in New York next time. off.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

"Let's let the government handle our health care"

if not the govt, who else the corps who rip us off now? Give them s/s, medicare/caid, our waters, our highways, the military?, the police/fire, all privatized and unregulated?

Hey crackhead, err boutons. Name me one branch of the government that is the model of efficiency, tight budgetary controls, and always puts our taxpayer dollars to good use.

Bureacracy sucks, and you want to us to be buried by one. Wake the up kid. Didn't mommy teach you any of this in home school?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Well this gravy train is ing over. Take your liberal-bashing, federal-tax-leaching, confederate-flag-waving, holier-than-thou, hypocritical bull and shove it up your ass.

And no, you can't have your ing convention in New York next time. off.

Congrats, you just found your way onto my ignore list, first person ever. I can't believe you're this spiteful.

And we can't have a convention in New York? Oh no! What ever will we do?

Fine, we'll take everything south of the Mason-Dixon line. And that includes all oil deposits in Texas, the Gulf, and we're going to start tapping the oil off the coast of Florida too.

Oh, and by the way, gas will now cost you $10 a gallon. Have fun!

Oh yeah, one more thing...

It's my money, not the government's money.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

clanny, go yourself.

What are you doing, with your stinking ass, to correct all the ups of the dubya and his henchmen?

I didn't say I hate government (provide link), and I'm not surprised you make yet another huge mistake in basic comprehension.

I hate the Repugs' willfully incompetent govt, how they disrespect and up the govt under their control, always to the advantage of their paymasters, in every single dept, weakening rules, violating rules, ignoring rules, not enforcing rules. Citizens and the environment are always the losers, business mgmt and capitalists always the winners under the Repugs.

It's not saying much, but govt can be done a lot better than the Repugs' destruction of govt. The govt AIN'T NEVER going away, so we better make the best of it, as eternally hard as that is.

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I'm just curious, if you are pissed about Republicans catering to their 'masters', then what do you think of Democrats who came out today and said they want to nationalize the property insurance industry against hurricane damage in the south?

Basically, they want to make all taxpayers in this country financially accountable for the rich having ocean front views and having to rebuild after hurricanes.

Those evil Republicans! Oh wait, they're democratic politicians! *gasp*

Handing govt to business is one sure way to it up even more (see current health care system, see unregulated private investment banks and markets, etc, etc)

Because growing the federal bureaucracy has ever worked out well anywhere in our nation's recent (last 30 years) history

[balli]

Oh, and by the way, gas will now cost you $10 a gallon. Have fun!

Good. I'd prefer higher. Minus a few airplane trips to Missouri and road trips to go backpacking in Southern Utah, I haven't bought or used a drop of gas since I sold my landcruiser back in 05.

[Nbadan]

Hey crackhead, err boutons. Name me one branch of the government that is the model of efficiency, tight budgetary controls, and always puts our taxpayer dollars to good use.

Errrr.........social security....even if we change nothing...enough money now sits in the Trust Funds to get us to 2041, according to the program’s trustees report.

[j-6]

the South. 'em. We should have let them go when they wanted to leave. But no, we had to kill half a million people so they'd stay part of our special Union. Fighting for the right to keep slaves - yeah, those are states we want to keep.

And now what do we get? We're the ing Arrogant Northeast Liberal Elite? How about this for arrogant: the South is the Real America? The Authentic America. Really?

Cause we ing founded this country, assholes. Those Founding Fathers you keep going on and on about? All that bull about what you think they meant by the Second Amendment giving you the right to keep your assault weapons in the glove compartment because you didn't bother to read the first half of the ing sentence? Who do you think those wig-wearing lacy-shirt sporting revolutionaries were? They were ing blue-staters, head. Boston? Philadelphia? New York? o? Think there might be a reason all the ing monuments are up here in our backyard?

No, No. Get the out. We're not letting you visit the Liberty Bell and ing Plymouth Rock anymore until you get over your real American selves and start respecting those other nine amendments. Who do you think those ing stripes on the flag are for? Nine are for ing blue states. And it would be 10 if those Vermonters had gotten their ing Subarus together and broken off from New York a little earlier. Get it? We started this , so don't get all uppity about how real you are you Johnny-come-lately "Oooooh I've been a state for almost a hundred years" heads. off.

Arrogant? You wanna talk about us Northeasterners being ing arrogant? What's more American than arrogance? Hmmm? Maybe horsies? I don't think so. Arrogance is the ing cornerstone of what it means to be American. And I wouldn't be so ing arrogant if I wasn't paying for your ing bridges, .

All those Federal taxes you love to hate? It all comes from us and goes to you, so shut up and enjoy your ing Tennessee Valley Authority electricity and your fancy highways that we paid for. And the next time Florida gets hit by a hurricane you can come crying to us if you want to, but you're the ones who built on a ing swamp. "Let the Spanish keep it, it’s a hole," we said, but you had to have your ing orange juice.

The next wad who says, "It’s your money, not the government's money" is gonna get their ass kicked. Nine of the ten states that get the most federal ing dollars and pay the least... can you guess? Go on, guess. That’s right, mother er, they're red states. And eight of the ten states that receive the least and pay the most? It’s too easy, asshole, they’re blue states. It’s not your money, assholes, it’s ing our money. What was that Real American Value you were spouting a minute ago? Self reliance? Try this for self reliance: buy your own ing stop signs, assholes.

Let’s talk about those values for a ing minute. You and your Southern values can bite my ass because the blue states got the values over you ing Real Americans every day of the goddamn week. Which state do you think has the lowest divorce rate you marriage-hyping wads? Well? Can you guess? It’s ing Massachusetts, the ing center of the gay marriage universe. Yes, that’s right, the state you love to tie around the neck of anyone to the left of Strom Thurmond has the lowest divorce rate in the ing nation. Think that’s just some aberration? How about this: 9 of the 10 lowest divorce rates are ing blue states, asshole, and most are in the Northeast, where our values suck so bad. And where are the highest divorce rates? Care to ing guess? 10 of the top 10 are ing red-ass we're-so- ing-moral states. And while Nevada is the worst, the Bible Belt is doing its ing part.

But two guys making out is going to ing ruin marriage for you? Yeah? Seems like you're ruining it pretty well on your own, you little bas s. Oh, but that's ok because you go to church, right? I mean you do, right? Cause we ing get to hear about it every goddamn year at election time. Yes, we're fascinated by how you get up every Sunday morning and sing, and then you're ing towers of moral superiority. Yeah, that's a workable formula. Maybe us ing Northerners don't talk about religion as much as you because we're not so busy sinning, hmmm? Ever think of that, you self-righteous assholes? No, you're too busy erecting giant stone tablets of the Ten Commandments in buildings paid for by the ing Northeast Liberal Elite. And who has the highest murder rates in the nation? It ain't us up here in the North, assholes.

Well this gravy train is ing over. Take your liberal-bashing, federal-tax-leaching, confederate-flag-waving, holier-than-thou, hypocritical bull and shove it up your ass.

And no, you can't have your ing convention in New York next time. off.

I married a little Long Island princess and subsequently came into possession of a bunch of Yankee relatives from the land of the self-absorbed. This is the rant that they go off with right before ing about how high their state income taxes are, super premium for the Benz running 4.70 a gallon, and how a garden home now in Nassau County costs what an apartment on the Lower East Side goes for.

(Enjoyable read, though.)

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Errrr.........social security....even if we change nothing...enough money now sits in the Trust Funds to get us to 2041, according to the program’s trustees report.

So what happens in 2041 when we run out of money? Does that mean until December 31,2040 that social security was run correctly, but on Jan. 1, 2041 it suddenly is a bureaucratic mess?

Give me a ing break Dan.

[balli]

(Enjoyable read, though.)

Thanks, wish I could take credit, but I didn't write it (nor do I fully subscribe to it's opinions). I was just trying (successfully) to piss a couple of people off with the most inflammatory thing I could find and I forgot to wrap tags around the . I should probably fix that.

http://www. thesouth.com/

[Nbadan]

So what happens in 2041 when we run out of money? Does that mean until December 31,2040 that social security was run correctly, but on Jan. 1, 2041 it suddenly is a bureaucratic mess?

...by that time the balance between payment coming into the system and payments going out should lead to further surpluses....remember that we only have about a ~30 year time-frame (the baby boomer generation) where expected payments are going to be more than expected receipts....and we can cover any shortfall by 1. raising the retirement age for full benefits 2. raising the income cap on paying into the system 3. means testing...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

...by that time the balance between payment coming into the system and payments going out should lead to further surpluses....remember that we only have about a ~30 year time-frame (the baby boomer generation) where expected payments are going to be more than expected receipts....and we can cover any shortfall by 1. raising the retirement age for full benefits 2. raising the income cap on paying into the system 3. means testing...

Dan, we're already going to start paying out more than we're taking in by 2014. That's six years from now. Remember that you're full of crap if you think this problem is going to magically fix itself when you've got a liberal presidential candidate that wants to grossly expand the powers and responsibilities of the federal government.

Your solution is to raise the retirement age? Sweet, we can all work until we're 85 now, then get some SS benefits if there's any left. Too bad our companies will fire us all well before that.

Means testing? How in the is that magically going to fix the problem. Less money coming in than being paid out = an insolvent system, no matter what s games you want to play.

Raising the cap won't do , it's a drop in the bucket.

For someone who es and moans on this forum about Americans living beyond their means financially, you sure don't have a problem explaining away our sorry ass politicians doing the same thing with our federal budget.

[Anti.Hero]

Errrr.........social security....even if we change nothing...enough money now sits in the Trust Funds to get us to 2041, according to the program’s trustees report.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Nbadan]

Dan, we're already going to start paying out more than we're taking in by 2014. That's six years from now. Remember that you're full of crap if you think this problem is going to magically fix itself when you've got a liberal presidential candidate that wants to grossly expand the powers and responsibilities of the federal government.

Let's say that the government fails to pay-back it's obligations to the Social Security trust fund...than what? those aren't just IOU's sitting in those accounts those are promissory notes from the U.S. government.....what happens is our monetary system collapses and it wouldn't matter how much you have sitting in a personalized savings account because it would all be worthless...

[Nbadan]

Your solution is to raise the retirement age? Sweet, we can all work until we're 85 now, then get some SS benefits if there's any left. Too bad our companies will fire us all well before that.

With the advances in medicine and science people are very active beyond 65...there no reason full benefits can't be stepped up to 70...

[Nbadan]

Raising the cap won't do , it's a drop in the bucket.

Raising the income cap to $1 million would make SS solvent forever...

[Nbadan]

For someone who es and moans on this forum about Americans living beyond their means financially, you sure don't have a problem explaining away our sorry ass politicians doing the same thing with our federal budget.

I think we spend way too much on defense.....10 times what the rest of the world spends combined...wouldn't 5 times be enough if we spent it more efficiently? ....after all, how many nuclear weapons do we need to destroy ourselves?

[Wild Cobra]

Raising the income cap to $1 million would make SS solvent forever...

Psssst.....

Your ignorance is showing Dan.

SS is paid on earned income. Not capital gains, dividends, etc. Just how much extra do you think is out there?

[Nbadan]

Psssst.....

Your ignorance is showing Dan.

SS is paid on earned income. Not capital gains, dividends, etc. Just how much extra do you think is out there?

No, I'm talking about earned income....increase the Social Security cap to $1 million....

[Don Quixote]

Thanks, wish I could take credit, but I didn't write it (nor do I fully subscribe to it's opinions). I was just trying (successfully) to piss a couple of people off with the most inflammatory thing I could find and I forgot to wrap tags around the . I should probably fix that.

http://www. thesouth.com/

Thanks for reminding me what, apparently, alot of people think of us.

I need the reminder every so often.

[balli]

Thanks for reminding me what, apparently, alot of people think of us.

I need the reminder every so often.

Really I have no room to talk and I was more just being inflammatory for the sake of doing so. I live in the reddest state in the nation, albeit not in the south.

Why did you need the reminder though? To solidify embitterment or to broaden your perspective?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I think we spend way too much on defense.....10 times what the rest of the world spends combined...wouldn't 5 times be enough if we spent it more efficiently? ....after all, how many nuclear weapons do we need to destroy ourselves?

Actually a lot of our defense spending is on smart weapons and ROVs because liberals like you about collateral damage and things like that.

Fight a war to win, not to pussy foot around everyone.

[Don Quixote]

Really I have no room to talk and I was more just being inflammatory for the sake of doing so. I live in the reddest state in the nation, albeit not in the south.

Why did you need the reminder though? To solidify embitterment or to broaden your perspective?

Well ... I wasn't coming after you, really. I knew you were exaggerating.

But I do need to be reminded every so often just what my (political) opponents think of me and people like me. Not to make myself bitter, because I am not. It's just good to know.