Interesting quote

[Supergirl]

In a 3/28/08 podcast of Real Time with Bill Maher, Maher said: "Do you think it’s really just the neocons, just the Bush Administration, or is there a rot in America, America itself, that’s a lot deeper? A lot of people, I think, in blue states and places that vote that way, would think, “Oh, yeah, we get rid of the Bushes and, gosh, America returns to that America we used to love and think about with – with fondness.” But, I don’t know. Don’t you think the rot is a little deeper than just the Bush Administration?"

And I've been thinking about this for a few days now. It really captures something I feel a lot of the time.

Other people?

[boutons_]

Sure, the American rot isn't just politics.

Here comes the Yonis, Whotts, Clannys, WCs, Aggies:

"boutons seeing American rot means he loves terrorists, is a treasonous anti-patriot. We, otoh, know the USA is wonderfully perfect, only boutons is rotted."

Supergirl, for just having such thoughts, just for watching the subversive, rotten Maher, you're rotten, too.

The great gift of the dubya/ head/neo- /Repug/Rove administration was to expose, to anybody bothering to watch, the promotion and entrenchment of rot as a full-time ambition and overriding priority.

Obama's "change" won't really change anything, but at least he might slow it down (very probably too late to "change" anything).

The rot and corruption by corporate/DoD/capitalists fascists is too intelligent, too secretive/passive, too powerful, too pervasive. Undefeatable.

[Ignignokt]

In a 3/28/08 podcast of Real Time with Bill Maher, Maher said: "Do you think it’s really just the neocons, just the Bush Administration, or is there a rot in America, America itself, that’s a lot deeper? A lot of people, I think, in blue states and places that vote that way, would think, “Oh, yeah, we get rid of the Bushes and, gosh, America returns to that America we used to love and think about with – with fondness.” But, I don’t know. Don’t you think the rot is a little deeper than just the Bush Administration?"

And I've been thinking about this for a few days now. It really captures something I feel a lot of the time.

Other people?

I think you think your doesn't stink.

[Ignignokt]

, but at least he might slow it down (very probably too late to "change" anything).

The rot and corruption by corporate/DoD/capitalists fascists is too intelligent, too secretive/passive, too powerful, too pervasive. Undefeatable.

Jewtons, you should be thankful for the Industrial millitary complex saving your people in arab land.

[101A]

In a 3/28/08 podcast of Real Time with Bill Maher, Maher said: "Do you think it’s really just the neocons, just the Bush Administration, or is there a rot in America, America itself, that’s a lot deeper? A lot of people, I think, in blue states and places that vote that way, would think, “Oh, yeah, we get rid of the Bushes and, gosh, America returns to that America we used to love and think about with – with fondness.” But, I don’t know. Don’t you think the rot is a little deeper than just the Bush Administration?"

And I've been thinking about this for a few days now. It really captures something I feel a lot of the time.

Other people?

"Just" the Bush adminstration?

LOL.

Fat, dumb, lazy, rich and happy.

That's Americans. NOT a good foundation to build a thriving, vibrant society on. Sure the "Rot" goes deeper; it is intrinsic, it is endemic. People don't understand history, they don't study politics, they don't know what is going on in the world; and yet they vote to choose their own leaders to guide us through.

Recipe for disaster.

And yet, "It's Bush's fault!" is the rallying cry of those who don't recognize the pervasiveness of the problem. People get stupid mortgages they can't pay for....Bush's fault. Banks give loans to people who can't pay for them...Bush's fault! Our manufacturing jobs become to expensive vs. their productivity to compete in a smaller world market....Bush's fault! 51% of our poplulation is on some kind of maintenance drug which requires periodic tests and Dr.'s visits to refill; and the cost of healthcare continues to skyrocket? Bush's fault.

When his administration isn't around anymore, we're out of Iraq, and the problems are still getting worse? I figure they can continue to blame Bush through the '12 election cycle; then another scape-goat will have to be found. Obama's fault? Maybe. Probably, frankly. The chief executive will ALWAYS be the easiest to lay the blame on.

The problem is, ultimately, us. We are ignorant, lazy and too quick to ask somebody else to fix whatever we are mad about, or feel slighted by. The powerful are to a large degree amoral, and the weak are not competent enough to do anything about it.

Democrats blame Republicans for getting us into a war...but they were right there all along - voting authorizations, not asking the tough questions because they were afraid of their own political position. Republicans blame Democrats for spending too much money; but they are just as apt (or even moreso) to write checks without any money to back them up.

We suck.

[clambake]

i know one guy that didn't vote for the war.

[Ignignokt]

i know one guy that didn't vote for the war.

that has to be the same guy who didn't vote on many important issues while in office.

[clambake]

i understand that mccain is #1 in missing votes. check it out.

[Ignignokt]

i understand that mccain is #1 in missing votes. check it out.

McCain has been in office longer. Ofcourse he's gonna have more missing votes.

[clambake]

or its a legitimate gauge of his track record.

its probably impossible to take your chihuahua (lieberman) with you everywhere.

[101A]

i know one guy that didn't vote for the war.

Obama?

My state senator didn't vote for the war, either; like Obama, he was not in Congress at the time.

[clambake]

kudos to him too.

[Ignignokt]

johanne sebastian bach didn't vote for the war either!

neither did Charlie Chapman, or the DUke of York, and hitler.

Kudos to these candidates for change!

-clitbake.

[Ignignokt]

Donald Duck and Mickey Mouse didn't vote for the war either!

Change sheeple! i said change!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Sure, the American rot isn't just politics.

Here comes the Yonis, Whotts, Clannys, WCs, Aggies:

"boutons seeing American rot means he loves terrorists, is a treasonous anti-patriot. We, otoh, know the USA is wonderfully perfect, only boutons is rotted."

Supergirl, for just having such thoughts, just for watching the subversive, rotten Maher, you're rotten, too.

The great gift of the dubya/ head/neo- /Repug/Rove administration was to expose, to anybody bothering to watch, the promotion and entrenchment of rot as a full-time ambition and overriding priority.

Obama's "change" won't really change anything, but at least he might slow it down (very probably too late to "change" anything).

The rot and corruption by corporate/DoD/capitalists fascists is too intelligent, too secretive/passive, too powerful, too pervasive. Undefeatable.

You're a re . But a typical liberal. Liberal thought process: "anyone who has conservative ideals is uneducated/uninformed/now I guess we add 'rotted'. Anyone who is liberal is enlightened."

Obama isn't going to change other than whose pockets will be getting lined with cash. In addition to the defense contractors, with Obama in office you can add any company related to medical treatment as well as lower income families through various 'wealth distribution' initiatives, i.e., socialism.

And yeah, I'm going to laugh at your ass boutons, you seem to have this idea that the only corporations that are playing the game in D.C. are those aligned with conservatives/oil/defense.

The democrats have just as many corporate buddies as the republicans do.

Not a damn thing is going to change with Obama in power, it'll just be different people and companies raping the American taxpayer.

[boutons_]

Aggie, always confused.

I've said, in this very thread, you could look it up, that Obama won't change anything. The rotten "system" is too pervasve, too powerful.

I've never said I'm pro-Dem, just anti-Repug. It's twiddle dee and twiddle dum, they both suck, they all suck, the sytems sucks, but the Repugs and neo- s in power these last year have ed up the US and the world like we haven't seen since VN.

[Ignignokt]

Aggie, always confused.

I've said, in this very thread, you could look it up, that Obama won't change anything. The rotten "system" is too pervasve, too powerful.

I've never said I'm pro-Dem, just anti-Repug. It's twiddle dee and twiddle dum, they both suck, they all suck, the sytems sucks, but the Repugs and neo- s in power these last year have ed up the US and the world like we haven't seen since VN.

Terrorist love salads sprinkled with calamata olives, onions, oil, and jewtons.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Aggie, always confused.

I've said, in this very thread, you could look it up, that Obama won't change anything. The rotten "system" is too pervasve, too powerful.

I've never said I'm pro-Dem, just anti-Repug. It's twiddle dee and twiddle dum, they both suck, they all suck, the sytems sucks, but the Repugs and neo- s in power these last year have ed up the US and the world like we haven't seen since VN.

Actually you said:

Obama's "change" won't really change anything, but at least he might slow it down (very probably too late to "change" anything).

He isn't going to slow down . He wants to put us on the highway to being the next USSR. You think Bush did a bad job, just wait until Obama tees off on our bank accounts with his socialist agenda.

[Don Quixote]

I am curious to know, what exactly is this rot that Maher and his audience thinks America has? where is it and what do we do about it?

[RandomGuy]

"Just" the Bush adminstration?

LOL.

Fat, dumb, lazy, rich and happy.

That's Americans. NOT a good foundation to build a thriving, vibrant society on. Sure the "Rot" goes deeper; it is intrinsic, it is endemic. People don't understand history, they don't study politics, they don't know what is going on in the world; and yet they vote to choose their own leaders to guide us through.

Recipe for disaster.

And yet, "It's Bush's fault!" is the rallying cry of those who don't recognize the pervasiveness of the problem. People get stupid mortgages they can't pay for....Bush's fault. Banks give loans to people who can't pay for them...Bush's fault! Our manufacturing jobs become to expensive vs. their productivity to compete in a smaller world market....Bush's fault! 51% of our poplulation is on some kind of maintenance drug which requires periodic tests and Dr.'s visits to refill; and the cost of healthcare continues to skyrocket? Bush's fault.

When his administration isn't around anymore, we're out of Iraq, and the problems are still getting worse? I figure they can continue to blame Bush through the '12 election cycle; then another scape-goat will have to be found. Obama's fault? Maybe. Probably, frankly. The chief executive will ALWAYS be the easiest to lay the blame on.

The problem is, ultimately, us. We are ignorant, lazy and too quick to ask somebody else to fix whatever we are mad about, or feel slighted by. The powerful are to a large degree amoral, and the weak are not competent enough to do anything about it.

Democrats blame Republicans for getting us into a war...but they were right there all along - voting authorizations, not asking the tough questions because they were afraid of their own political position. Republicans blame Democrats for spending too much money; but they are just as apt (or even moreso) to write checks without any money to back them up.

We suck.

Ok, I pretty much agree with this. Yikes. I am pretty much an optimist, but have some concerns about the "rot" that the OP mentions.

[RandomGuy]

I am curious to know, what exactly is this rot that Maher and his audience thinks America has? where is it and what do we do about it?

Very good questions as well.

I think a lot of people have some gut feeling that something is wrong, but nobody has yet to figure out just what it is.

The left blames the right, the right blames the left, and both blame the center for not being extreme enough to take sides.

I have been thinking about checking out the "unitedwefail.org" movement that I keep seeing TV ads for.

[balli]

It's called the neoconservative movement, the lunatic fringe. However you want to lable it America is full of dangerous and stupid idealogues who have no thought basis in reality whatsoever. It's far from being all conservatives, but Bush's base (i.e. the people still supporting him) are a bunch of sick and rotten lunatics.

[boutons_]

"Democrats blame Republicans for getting us into a war...but they were right there all along"

yes, they were spineless, passive, guilty enablers, but it was dubya/ head/neo- s and Repugs who took the initiative, lied, lied, lied about WMD, etc to get the war started, so there's no ing way the Dems are just as guilty as the Repugs.

The Iraq fiasco and killing fields for US military are 100% owned by the Repugs.

No Repug push for Iraq, no war in Iraq.

[Extra Stout]

In a 3/28/08 podcast of Real Time with Bill Maher, Maher said: "Do you think it’s really just the neocons, just the Bush Administration, or is there a rot in America, America itself, that’s a lot deeper? A lot of people, I think, in blue states and places that vote that way, would think, “Oh, yeah, we get rid of the Bushes and, gosh, America returns to that America we used to love and think about with – with fondness.” But, I don’t know. Don’t you think the rot is a little deeper than just the Bush Administration?"

And I've been thinking about this for a few days now. It really captures something I feel a lot of the time.

Other people?

Of course there is a deeper rot. This is a nation in decline.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

It's called the neoconservative movement, the lunatic fringe. However you want to lable it America is full of dangerous and stupid idealogues who have no thought basis in reality whatsoever. It's far from being all conservatives, but Bush's base (i.e. the people still supporting him) are a bunch of sick and rotten lunatics.

Yeah, blame it on the neoconservative movement.

There's just as many sick and rotten lunatics on the left. That's part of the problem, people like you are too stupid or unwilling to admit you have problems in your own party.

The sad thing is most people in the U.S. I suspect are really centrists, it's just that in this ty two party system we have we're all forced to pick sides.

I can't even remember the last time we had a viable presidential candidate, pretty much the last 5-6 elections have all been the case of voting for the guy who scares you the least.