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    whats the deficit under these republicans?

    A record.

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    whats the deficit under these republicans?
    Less than it would be under democrats.

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    I am not running for office
    That's OK because you have Limbaugh and Insannity making these Republican talking points perfectly clear to voters....they are like PSA's for voting Democrat.....

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    They are voting for Mccain because they agree with more of his positions than Obamas
    Not necessarily.

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    Less than it would be under democrats.
    Considering there was a surplus when Bill Clinton left office and a deficit when he came in and under Bush we've now had the largest budget and trade deficits in history, I'd watch my mouth if I were you.

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    Less than it would be under democrats.
    Are you that naive? Check your records again and look at where we were at the beginning of Bush and now.

    Even McCain knows republicans raised the deficit. That is one thing he has not forgotten.

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    Considering there was a surplus when Bill Clinton left office and a deficit when he came in and under Bush we've now had the largest budget and trade deficits in history, I'd watch my mouth if I were you.
    How can you credit president Clinton for the rise in economy that was done by business, and several other reasons including the Y2K scare? Dropped after 2000 rolled around, right? Computer technologies exploded with the widespread usage of CMP starting in 1994. Everyone wanted the newest thing, and the technology was leaping at a faster rate than ever before. Internet stocks blossomed.

    Besides, there was no surplus. It was an accounting trick. The last time we had a real surplus was under president Nixon. That was the last time the debt actually decreased.

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    How can you credit president Clinton for the rise in economy that was done by business, and several other reasons including the Y2K scare? Dropped after 2000 rolled around, right? Computer technologies exploded with the widespread usage of CMP starting in 1994. Everyone wanted the newest thing, and the technology was leaping at a faster rate than ever before. Internet stocks blossomed.

    Besides, there was no surplus. It was an accounting trick. The last time we had a real surplus was under president Nixon. That was the last time the debt actually decreased.
    "scare and trick". another lame deflection.

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    Even republicans realize how much their out of control spending has COST them.

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    Are you that naive? Check your records again and look at where we were at the beginning of Bush and now.

    Even McCain knows republicans raised the deficit. That is one thing he has not forgotten.
    I never said they didn't. How much more will the deficit and debt grow with the promised free health insurance along with all the other programs the lib s promise us?

    Remember too, conservatives did not support republicans very will in 2006 because of too much spending and immigration policies. Liberals reward such idiotic stuff, conservatives penalize it!

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    How can you credit president Clinton for the rise in economy that was done by business, and several other reasons including the Y2K scare? Dropped after 2000 rolled around, right? Computer technologies exploded with the widespread usage of CMP starting in 1994. Everyone wanted the newest thing, and the technology was leaping at a faster rate than ever before. Internet stocks blossomed.

    Besides, there was no surplus. It was an accounting trick. The last time we had a real surplus was under president Nixon. That was the last time the debt actually decreased.
    Fine, but all I know is that our country was under better fiscal shape by almost astronomical levels under Clinton that it was under Reagan, Bush 1, and now W. Especially under W- I don't understand how you can hammer Democrats for spending after your guy for 8 years has spent and borrowed more than any administration ever.

    And as I'm sure you know, we're not talking about the national debt, we're talking about the budget defecit.

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    I never said they didn't. How much more will the deficit and debt grow with the promised free health insurance along with all the other programs the lib s promise us?

    Remember too, conservatives did not support republicans very will in 2006 because of too much spending and immigration policies. Liberals reward such idiotic stuff, conservatives penalize it!
    Wrong bucko! It was the American people who rejected republicans and their crazy spending. Not to mention all the scandals.

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    And as I'm sure you know, we're not talking about the national debt, we're talking about the budget defecit.
    Right. Now keep things in perspective too. Because of inflation, every year will be record spending. You have to look at it in terms or % of GNP, GDP, per capita, etc.

    As a percentage, the spending under president Bush really isn't as bad as people like to believe!

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    Wrong bucko! It was the American people who rejected republicans and their crazy spending. Not to mention all the scandals.
    I'm sorry, I said conservatives because I didn't think liberals would support republicans either way. Should I have included them too?

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    As a percentage, the spending under president Bush really isn't as bad as people like to believe!
    Yes it is. In fact, it's far worse than even I thought.

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=51342

    [comparing] spending by the federal government, adjusted for inflation, during the Clinton years vs. the Bush years. In Clinton's first term, federal expenditures rose 4.7 percent. In his second term, they rose 3.7 percent. In the first term of the Bush administration, however, spending rose 19.2 percent.

    ulative growth in federal expenditures, adjusted for inflation, during the Clinton years actually shrunk by 1.1 percent. Yet, in the Bush first term, it rose 15 percent.

    During President Bush's first five years in office, the federal government increased by $616 billion," Viguerie writes. "That's a mammoth 33 percent jump in the size of the federal government in just his first five years! To put this in perspective, this increase of $616 billion is more than the entire federal budget in Jimmy Carter's last years in office. And conservatives were complaining about Big Government back then! How can Bush, (Dennis) Hastert, (Bill) Frist and company look us in the eye and tell us they are fiscal conservatives when in five short years they increased the already-bloated government by more than the budget for the entire federal government when Ronald Reagan was assuming office?"

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    Shut up pretty quick there didn't you Cobra?

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    "spending under president Bush really isn't as bad as people like to believe!"

    .... you're excluding the $2T+ "emergency/supplementaries/off-books" for Iraq, right?












    You're doing a heckuva job, dubya

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    Shut up pretty quick there didn't you Cobra?
    hmm. i guess the value of the dollar has no effect on that at all. impossible.

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    "spending under president Bush really isn't as bad as people like to believe!"

    .... you're excluding the $2T+ "emergency/supplementaries/off-books" for Iraq, right?












    You're doing a heckuva job, dubya
    could you please put up the value of the dollar chart to go along with this?

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    Well, McCain might, or she might. Who knows. I understand
    there were prenuptial agreements made before they were
    married. So guess he doesn't have access to them.

    As far as Bush, Cheney, Rummey, Rice and Libby. I see
    nothing wrong with them. The are smart people who work
    the system just as the dimms do.

    You act like lobbyist are the worst thing that ever happened
    to government. Do you include the Sierra club, Hispanic
    groups, NAACP in your statement. Because they too
    employ and do lobbying. Which is a basic freedom in our
    country. The groups I mention also collect many dollars
    and given them to politicians, which they have the freedom
    to do. So don't paint with too wide a brush cause you
    might find out you have a little paint on your hands.
    You see anything wrong with these people?

    G. Gordon Liddy

    James Hensley

    Charles Keating, Jr.

    Rick Davis

    Oleg Deripaska

    Carol McCain vs. Cindy

    Cindy McCain

    Joseph 'Joe Bananas' Bonanno

    Donald W. Riegle (K5)

    Dennis DeConcini (K5)

    Alan Cranston (K5)

    Bob Riley

    Charlie Black

    Tom Loeffler

    Peter madaigan

    Charles Black, Jr.

    John Green

    Tom Loeffler

    Bob Perry

    Harold Simmons

    T. Boone Pickens

    Carl Linder Sr.

    Harlan Crow

    Jack E. Caveney

    Albert Huddleston.

    Rick Renz

    I won't tell you what all they did, because I think you'll enjoy finding out about who these terrorists, corrupt lobbyists, corrupt politicians, mobsters, criminals, convicted felons, people he screwed over, drug addicts, s and bums are. Is McCain even a "good" guy? If we're going to do 'guilt by association' he's clearly not qualified to be running for anything.

    You go look those people up, what they did, how they built their empires, the ties they have, and then you can come back and list Obama's 4 names. List them with pride. And know that when you do, we'll be thinking about these 26 names of people far more questionable and far more sinister.

    You think McCain's greatest hits have been played loud enough for America to have heard them? That party hasn't even begun yet. Rest assured that it will.

    And I didn't even mention the ministers he sought out the endorsement of along the way.

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    4. Free ride? The filthy rich as you call them pay I believe near 50% in taxes. These people have worked hard to get where they are it. They should of course pay taxes, but they have nothing close to a free ride.
    Filthy rich to get a free ride. How many of them or their children actually serve in the military. They get the most out this country, yet contribute the least.

    Giving your life >>>>> paying taxes

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    Less than it would be under democrats.

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    Filthy rich to get a free ride. How many of them or their children actually serve in the military. They get the most out this country, yet contribute the least.

    Giving your life >>>>> paying taxes
    I believe I hear a little "class" envy here. Those mean old "rich" people. Taking advantage of
    the "poor" people who fight their wars.

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    I believe I hear a little "class" envy here. Those mean old "rich" people. Taking advantage of
    the "poor" people who fight their wars.
    There you go couldn't have said it better myself

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