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    look at the players picked after Splitter.
    any other choices if only he didn't submit his name for the draft or we didn't pick him?

    28 San Antonio Tiago Splitter 7-0 240 PF Brazil
    29 Phoenix Alando Tucker 6-5 205 SF Wisconsin
    30 Philadelphia* Petteri Koponen 6-4 194 PG Finland
    (*from Dal via Den/GS; Traded to Portland)




    ROUND 2 DRAFT RESULTS

    1 (31) Seattle Carl Landry 6-7 248 PF Purdue
    (Traded to Houston)
    2 (32) Boston Gabe Pruitt 6-4 170 PG USC
    3 (33) San Antonio Marcus Williams 6-7 207 SF Arizona
    4 (34) Dallas Nick Fazekas 6-11 225 PF Nevada
    5 (35) Seattle* Glen Davis 6-9 290 PF LSU
    (*Traded to Boston)
    6 (36) Golden State* Jermareo Davidson6-11 230 PF Alabama
    (*Traded to Charlotte)
    7 (37) Portland Josh McRoberts 6-10 230 PF Duke
    8 (38) Philadelphia* Kyrylo Fesenko 7-1 270 PF Ukraine
    (*Traded to Utah)
    9 (39) Miami* Stanko Barac 7-1 235 C Bosnia
    (Traded to Indiana)
    10 (40) LA Lakers Sun Yue 6-9 205 SF China
    11 (41) Minnesota Chris Richard 6-9 252 C Florida
    12 (42) Portland* Derrick Byars 6-7 220 SF Vanderbilt
    (*Traded to Philadelphia)
    13 (43) New Orleans Adam Haluska 6-5 210 SG Iowa
    14 (44) Orlando* Reyshawn Terry 6-8 222 SF North Carolina
    (*Traded to Dallas)
    15 (45) LA Clippers Jared Jordan 6-2 183 PG Marist
    16 (46) Golden State Stephane Lasme 6-7 213 PF Massachusetts
    17 (47) Washington Dominic McGuire 6-9 220 SF Fresno State
    18 (48) LA Lakers Marc Gasol 7-0 265 C Spain
    19 (49) Chicago Aaron Gray 7-2 271 C Pittsburgh
    20 (50) Dallas Renaldas Seibutis6-6 185 SG Lithuania
    21 (51) Chicago JamesOn Curry 6-3 190 SG Oklahoma State
    23 (53) Portland Demetris Nichols6-8 211 SF Syracuse
    24 (54) Houston Brad Newley 6-7 201 SG Australia
    25 (55) Utah* Herbert Hill 6-10 232 PF Providence
    (*Traded to Philadelphia)
    26 (56) Milwaukee Ramon Sessions 6-4 185 PG Nevada
    27 (57) Detroit Sammy Mejia 6-7 218 SG DePaul
    28 (58) San Antonio* Giorgos Printezis6-9 210 SF Greece
    (*Traded to Toronto)
    29 (59) Phoenix D. J. Strawberry6-5 199 SG Maryland
    30 (60) Dallas* Milovan Rakovic 6-10 ? PF Serbia
    (Traded to Orlando)
    just to clarify your solution to drafting forieners is to draft a foriegner in gasal

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    I don't get it. If Tiago came to the NBA he wouldn't make as much the first 2, maybe 3 years, but after that he could have made maybe 5, 6 or 7 million a year.

    Lets see if we can package him.
    Based on his last couple interviews, I don't think you can say it was totally about the money.

    I think he also wanted assurances that he would be given the opportunity to play...and given that the Spurs have Oberto under contract and are likely to bring back Thomas, you have to think he was right in his assessment that he wouldn't play much this year and maybe the next.

    Plus, there was a loyalty to the team that brought him up and help mold him as a player. He had just won one championship, and has a legitimate shot at taking his team to the Euroleague le.

    He's also fairly young and can point to other Euroleague stars coming over later in their careers and being successful.

    I would advocate the opposite position from what you're preaching. His trade value at this point is , and it won't be worth anything until the Summer of '10 when he MAY come over. Best to hold onto his rights, keep tabs on him, and re-visit the idea of bringing him over in two years.

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    In the last interview Splinter gave before signing he said he needed to meet with his agents and the Tau owner before for reaching a decision. He didn't say his family. He didn't say Spurs officials. He didn't say his priest. He said it was the guys who could negotiate a Tau deal. He even signed a deal with longer terms and apparently less opt out options than originally reported. It was about the money.

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    Based on his last couple interviews, I don't think you can say it was totally about the money.

    I think he also wanted assurances that he would be given the opportunity to play...and given that the Spurs have Oberto under contract and are likely to bring back Thomas, you have to think he was right in his assessment that he wouldn't play much this year and maybe the next.

    Plus, there was a loyalty to the team that brought him up and help mold him as a player. He had just won one championship, and has a legitimate shot at taking his team to the Euroleague le.

    He's also fairly young and can point to other Euroleague stars coming over later in their careers and being successful.

    I would advocate the opposite position from what you're preaching. His trade value at this point is , and it won't be worth anything until the Summer of '10 when he MAY come over. Best to hold onto his rights, keep tabs on him, and re-visit the idea of bringing him over in two years.
    I vote we do sign him, and then package him off to a crappy team for a decent pick and make him suffer.

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    It's him or Robin Lopez that's are worth a crap at the level that both the Rockets and Spurs will be picking. Both playoff teams and the Rockets are just barely ahead of the Spurs in draft position.
    Hibbert has peaked as a player, it's why he went from lotto pick last year to bottom of the first this year.

    Lopez sucks, he makes Rasho Nesterovic look like a hard ass.

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    Ha ha! I'm laughing.

    That was a nice waste of a pick. He'll never play for you now. Especially now that the Euro is dominant over the $. He'll never accept an NBA contract for less than he can make in Europe.

    Very funny. I laugh and gloat.

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    Ha ha! I'm laughing.

    That was a nice waste of a pick. He'll never play for you now. Especially now that the Euro is dominant over the $. He'll never accept an NBA contract for less than he can make in Europe.

    Very funny. I laugh and gloat.
    Thats funny cause I keep laughing as the suns get older and cannot even win the western conference

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    In the last interview Splinter gave before signing he said he needed to meet with his agents and the Tau owner before for reaching a decision. He didn't say his family. He didn't say Spurs officials. He didn't say his priest. He said it was the guys who could negotiate a Tau deal. He even signed a deal with longer terms and apparently less opt out options than originally reported. It was about the money.
    In the last interview Splitter gave he talked about Pop's unwillingness to play rookies and that it would factor into his decision.

    And his contract has an opt-out clause at the two year point...just when his other would be expiring.

    He got a commitment for more guaranteed dollars with the option after two years to forgo some of that guaranteed money for a shot at the NBA. That doesn't make his decision all about the money....it just makes him smart.

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    Ha ha! I'm laughing.

    That was a nice waste of a pick. He'll never play for you now. Especially now that the Euro is dominant over the $. He'll never accept an NBA contract for less than he can make in Europe.

    Very funny. I laugh and gloat.
    I know, it sucks...the biggest downside to winning championships is the crappy draft position, but what do you care, you are a suns fan & we all know they couldn't even spell championship, let alone win ANYTHING that matters....oh and how did that Atlanta pick work out for ya'll? I mean it's defintily a Top 10 pick right? Oh its not?, then it must at least be a lotto pick right? Oh its not? Wow.. phoenix got boned...again...Very funny. I laugh and gloat.

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    Ha ha! I'm laughing.

    That was a nice waste of a pick. He'll never play for you now. Especially now that the Euro is dominant over the $. He'll never accept an NBA contract for less than he can make in Europe.

    Very funny. I laugh and gloat.
    Your team is the suns. Very Funny. I laugh and gloat.

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    In the last interview Splitter gave he talked about Pop's unwillingness to play rookies and that it would factor into his decision.

    And his contract has an opt-out clause at the two year point...just when his other would be expiring.

    He got a commitment for more guaranteed dollars with the option after two years to forgo some of that guaranteed money for a shot at the NBA. That doesn't make his decision all about the money....it just makes him smart.
    Did Splitter ever indicate that he'd even talked to Pop or any Spurs official about what exactly his role might be, whether it was he or the Spurs that reached out to define the possibilities? Or did he just make a press statement about what he thought it might be? Maybe lip service to justify going back on previous statements about coming to the NBA so he look like he had a tiny bit of integrity.

    There were some indications the original deal had a buy out after year, one for what the NBA was allowed to pay, $500 K, and no buy out at all after year two.

    He wanted one input and that was to see what he could do to leverage a little more $.

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    Did Splitter ever indicate that he'd even talked to Pop or any Spurs official about what exactly his role might be, whether it was he or the Spurs that reached out to define the possibilities? Or did he just make a press statement about what he thought it might be? Maybe lip service to justify going back on previous statements about coming to the NBA so he look like he had a tiny bit of integrity.

    There were some indications the original deal had a buy out after year one of what the NBA was allowed to pay, $500 K, and no buy out at all after year two.

    He wanted one input and that was to see what he could do to leverage a little more $.little bit better
    Didn't sound to me like it was anything official he was told by the Spurs organization. Then again, I don't think the details of a two-year deal were ever official either.

    Maybe it's blind optimism, but I choose to believe that Splitter may still choose to come to the NBA (hopefully Spurs) in two years when he has the chance to opt out....that he will choose to forgo some of the money and instead opt for a chance at playing as a key member of a championship-calibur team. I can say almost for certain that there will be no Oberto or Thomas standing in his way then...

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    I know, it sucks...the biggest downside to winning championships is the crappy draft position, but what do you care, you are a suns fan & we all know they couldn't even spell championship, let alone win ANYTHING that matters....oh and how did that Atlanta pick work out for ya'll? I mean it's defintily a Top 10 pick right? Oh its not?, then it must at least be a lotto pick right? Oh its not? Wow.. phoenix got boned...again...Very funny. I laugh and gloat.
    "Blah blah blah"... that's all I ever hear from Spurs fans ... just nonsense and noise ...

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    Your team is the suns. Very Funny. I laugh and gloat.
    "Blah blah blah *empty trash talk* blah blah blah"


    Is that what you said? I guess so ... nevermind ... your team is done too ... especially now that "The Great White Hope" Splitter has spurned the Spurs for the next four years .... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Hawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

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    "Blah blah blah"... that's all I ever hear from Spurs fans ... just nonsense and noise ...
    That's all you hear? Must suck. Don't know about you, but if that's all I heard I'd try to avoid places (like this one) where Spurs fans congregate. You do realize the site is called SpursTalk don't you?

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    "Blah blah blah *empty trash talk* blah blah blah"


    Is that what you said? I guess so ... nevermind ... your team is done too ... especially now that "The Great White Hope" Splitter has spurned the Spurs for the next four years .... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Hawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!
    how old are you ? it's not responsable to be there
    if you want to talk about basket you're welcome but if you're here for nothing .......
    i know it's difficult not winning any le or something else so be classy

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    Maybe it's blind optimism, but I choose to believe that Splitter may still choose to come to the NBA (hopefully Spurs) in two years when he has the chance to opt out....that he will choose to forgo some of the money and instead opt for a chance at playing as a key member of a championship-calibur team. I can say almost for certain that there will be no Oberto or Thomas standing in his way then...
    Yep.

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    That's all you hear? Must suck. Don't know about you, but if that's all I heard I'd try to avoid places (like this one) where Spurs fans congregate. You do realize the site is called SpursTalk don't you?
    Sons fans are funny. Their disgruntled nature has devolved into pure, refined hate. He's here because he thinks aggravating Spurs fans gives him some type of moral victory, when in reality, he comes off like something of a village idiot, whose ramblings are scorned, mocked, and humored. If I could meet Danny B face to face, I'd definitely give him a dollar, a pat on the head, and shake my head in pity as I walk away while he tells the story of the Suns' 07 season to a lamp post.
    Last edited by midnightpulp; 06-06-2008 at 10:33 PM.

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    how old are you ? it's not responsable to be there
    if you want to talk about basket you're welcome but if you're here for nothing .......
    i know it's difficult not winning any le or something else so be classy
    I;m older than you, fool, but that probably doesn't mean much. You're still a dumb Spurs fan, so I guess age and wisdom don't count for much anyway..

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    Sons fans are funny. Their disgruntled nature has devolved into pure, refined hate. He's here because he thinks aggravating Spurs fans gives him some type of moral victory, when in reality, he comes off like something of a village idiot, whose ramblings are pitied, mocked, and humored. If I could meet Danny B face to face, I'd definitely give him a dollar, a pat on the head, and tell him to keep his nose clean.
    You go ahead and keep telling yourself you've got it all figured out, ok? I would hate to burst your bubble on reality and let you in on the fact that every fan of NBA basketball hates you and your bag Spurs ... that would be too harsh for you to handle probably. It's not even about *my* team ... it's about how the Spurs have ruined basketball for everyone. the Spurs.

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    I;m older than you, fool, but that probably doesn't mean much. You're still a dumb Spurs fan, so I guess age and wisdom don't count for much anyway..
    Writing a hate manifesto is not the equivalent of being wise.

    Back to your shack, troll.

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    Writing a hate manifesto is not the equivalent of being wise.

    Back to your shack, troll.
    Yeah, you're right. Also, writing a "Dumbass Manifesto is not the equivalent of being wise either. Just food for thought, dumbass.

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    You go ahead and keep telling yourself you've got it all figured out, ok? I would hate to burst your bubble on reality and let you in on the fact that every fan of NBA basketball hates you and your bag Spurs ... that would be too harsh for you to handle probably. It's not even about *my* team ... it's about how the Spurs have ruined basketball for everyone. the Spurs.
    They've especially ruined it for you, haven't they? Prior to the playoffs, I can see you getting all excited, your little face glowing with optimism, telling yourself, "This is our year, baby! Shaq-daddy gonna bring it home!" This feeling especially peaked in the last minute during game 1 of this year's first round. You were high-fiving the air (since you obviously have no friends), excitement filling your whole body to the point of convulsions, then: Finley...for 3!

    You knew the inevitble was coming, but you still managed to fight off submission, hopeful your Sons would pull it out. Being the cruel masochists they are, the Sons went up 3 with seconds left, and you were sure of victory. Then, Ginobili drives and passes to a wide open Tim Duncan. No way he hits that 3, you told yourself. We get this game, the series is ours.

    Swish.

    How did that feel? I bet your internal organs felt like they collapsed. Tears streamed from your eyes. Your soul went pitch black. You screamed "Why?" to the heavens and got no answer but deafening silence. 40 years of failure, crystallized in this singular moment, symbolic in defining the Suns' pathetic legacy.

    And what do you do? Deflect your hate for the franchise you root for, a franchise who has rewarded your devotion with jack , onto a classy, RESPECTED, winning franchise in the San Antonio Spurs. It's natural, but it can also be destructive to the psyche, and I have little recourse but to advise you to get some in help.

    Seriously.
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    They've especially ruined it for you, haven't they? Prior to the playoffs, I can see you getting all excited, your little face glowing with optimism, telling yourself, "This is our year, baby! Shaq-daddy gonna bring it home!" This feeling especially peaked in the last minute during game 1 of this year's first round. You were high-fiving the air (since you obviously have no friends), excitement filling your whole body to the point of convulsions, then: Finley...for 3!

    You knew the inevitble was coming, but you still managed to fight off submission, hopeful your Sons would pull it out. Being the cruel masochists they are, the Sons went up 3 with seconds left, and you were sure of victory. Then, Ginobili drives and passes to a wide open Tim Duncan. No way he hits that 3, you told yourself. We get this game, the series is ours.

    Swish.

    How did that feel? I bet your internal organs felt like they collapsed. Tears streamed from your eyes. Your soul went pitch black. You screamed "Why?" to the heavens and got no answer but deafening silence. 40 years of failure, crystallized in this singular moment, symbolic in defining the Suns' pathetic legacy.

    And what do you do? Deflect your hate for the franchise you root for, a franchise who has rewarded your devotion with jack , onto a classy, RESPECTED, winning franchise in the San Antonio Spurs. It's natural, but it can also be destructive to the psyche, and I have little recourse but to advise you to get some in help.

    Seriously.
    Obviously, you're free to imagine whatever bull you want ... don't let me be the one to stop you from all your fantasizing bull . Go ahead and enjoy that while you can ...

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    Shocking that a player would follow the money, I guess the Euros have learned from the Americans so well.

    DD

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