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    Gotta love those conservative values.

    McCain Stand by his Woman

    It was in 1969 that Carol went to spend the Christmas holiday – her third without McCain – at her parents’ home. After dinner, she left to drop off some presents at a friend’s house.

    It wasn’t until some hours later that she was discovered, alone and in terrible pain, next to the wreckage of her car. She had been hurled through the windscreen.

    After her first series of life-saving operations, Carol was told she may never walk again, but when doctors said they would try to get word to McCain about her injuries, she refused, insisting: ‘He’s got enough problems, I don’t want to tell him.’

    H. Ross Perot, a billionaire Texas businessman, future presidential candidate and advocate of prisoners of war, paid for her medical care.

    *snip*

    Through Ross Perot, he met Ronald Reagan, then Governor of California. A sympathetic Nancy Reagan took Carol under her wing.

    But already the McCains’ marriage had begun to fray. ‘John started carousing and running around with women,’ said Robert Timberg.

    McCain has acknowledged that he had girlfriends during this time, without going into details. Some friends blame his dissatisfaction with Carol, but others give some credence to her theory of a mid-life crisis.

    He was also fiercely ambitious, but it was clear he would never become an admiral like his illustrious father and grandfather and his thoughts were turning to politics.

    In 1979 – while still married to Carol – he met Cindy at a tail party in Hawaii. Over the next six months he pursued her, flying around the country to see her. Then he began to push to end his marriage.

    Carol and her children were devastated. ‘It was a complete surprise,’ says Nancy Reynolds, a former Reagan aide.

    ‘They never displayed any difficulties between themselves. I know the Reagans were quite shocked because they loved and respected both Carol and John.’

    Another friend added: ‘Carol didn’t fight him. She felt her infirmity made her an impediment to him. She justified his actions because of all he had gone through. She used to say, “He just wants to make up for lost time.”’

    Indeed, to many in their circle the saddest part of the break-up was Carol’s decision to resign herself to losing a man she says she still adores.


    Now that is leadership we can belive in.

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    Thanks for the crucial and timely info, x-Marzebra.

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    Obama nut-hugger

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    In 1979 – while still married to Carol – he met Cindy at a tail party in Hawaii. Over the next six months he pursued her, flying around the country to see her. Then he began to push to end his marriage.
    Poor character trait........why wasn't he man enough to divorce his first wife before pursuing his golden ticket....

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    i hunt fenced animals clambake's Avatar
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    i found it a refreshing change. lately, all you hear about is an old republican chasing .

    "Yes We Can"....send a man to mars.

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    Still Hates Small Ball Spurminator's Avatar
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    Do Democrats really want to bring up a Presidential candidate's 30-years-old infidelity? Do we REALLY want to have this conversation? Do I have to tell you what we're going to be talking about on page 2 of this thread?

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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    Do Republicans really want to attack a Presidential candidate's 30-year old associations?

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    I have no doubt whatsoever Republicans are going to use old bull to smear Obama. Congrats for being in the same stupid game they're playing.

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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    Politics is politics Sperm.....don't give me this holier than thou bullcrap...

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    It's not holier than thou. It's rationality.

    It's also logic. If you've picked your "team," why would you choose to discuss a topic on which you have a more recent and more relevant black mark?

    It would be like Republicans exposing Obama's problematic credit card debt as a young 20-something.

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    For all of the ing you guys do about the M$M, 95% of what you choose to talk about is the same irrelevant sensationalist bull that fills their 24-hour news cycle.

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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    For all of the ing you guys do about the M$M, 95% of what you choose to talk about is the same irrelevant sensationalist bull that fills their 24-hour news cycle.
    This forum hasn't succeeded because we ignore the M$M....we would like the M$M to talk about more relevant issues but no matter how much ing we do about the lack of real substance, its talking about prevalent M$M misconceptions and spin why political forum like this have thrived....

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    I am that guy RandomGuy's Avatar
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    but... but... but...

    McCain has experience.

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    Do Republicans really want to attack a Presidential candidate's 30-year old associations?
    30 years? , most of them are still ongoing...

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    Sound marriages can be hard to recover after great time and distance have separated a husband and wife. We are different people when we reunite," McCain wrote. "But my marriage's collapse was attributable to my own selfishness and immaturity more than it was to Vietnam, and I cannot escape blame by pointing a finger at the war. The blame was entirely mine.
    Not news.

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    Let's look at McCain other questionable connections....like the Keating 5..

    The Keating Five scandal from 1989 implicated five senators in another corruption probe. Democrats Dennis DeConcini of Arizona, Donald Riegle of Michigan, John Glenn of Ohio and Alan Cranston of California, and Republican John McCain of Arizona, were accused of strong-arming federal officials to back off their investigation of Charles Keating, former chairman of the Lincoln Savings and Loan association. In exchange, the senators reportedly received close to $1.3 million in campaign contributions.

    The Senate Ethics Committee concluded that Glenn and McCain's involvement in the scheme was minimal and dropped the charges against them. In August 1991, the committee ruled that the other three senators had acted improperly in interfering with the Federal Home Loan Banking Board's investigation.

    DeConcini and Riegle did not run for re-election in 1994 and were succeeded by Republican Sens. John Kyl and Spencer Abraham.
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    and...

    In his early days as a freshman senator, McCain was known for accepting contributions from Charles Keating Jr., flying to the banker's home in the Bahamas on company planes and taking up Keating's cause with U.S. financial regulators as they investigated him.

    The Keating Five was the derisive name given McCain and four Democratic senators who were defendants in a congressional ethics investigation of their connections to Keating. McCain is the only one still in the Senate. They were accused of trying to intimidate regulators on behalf of Keating, a real estate developer in Arizona and owner of Lincoln Savings and Loan based in Irvine, Calif.

    Keating and his associates raised $1.3 million combined for the campaigns and political causes of all five. McCain's campaigns received $112,000.

    The investigation ended in early 1991 with a rebuke that McCain "exercised poor judgment in intervening with the regulators." But the Senate ethics committee also determined McCain's actions "were not improper nor attended with gross negligence."

    McCain has claimed the Keating scandal sensitized him even to the appearance of potential conflicts of interest. But in recent weeks, McCain has defended himself anew over another instance in which he intervened with federal regulators on behalf of a prominent campaign contributor -- years ago but after the Keating rebuke. Again, McCain denies acting improperly.

    McCain wrote two letters in late 1999 to the Federal Communications Commission on behalf of Florida-based Paxson Communications. He urged quick consideration of a proposal to buy a television station license in Pittsburgh, although he did not ask the FCC commissioners to approve the proposal. At the time, one FCC commissioner's formal nomination was pending before McCain's Senate committee, and the FCC chairman complained that McCain's letters were improper.
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    and..

    But there was a kicker. When he was asked, years later at a press conference, whether his contributions to politicians bought him influence, Keating replied, “I want to say in the most forceful way I can: I certainly hope so.”

    McCain got more than just campaign money from Keating. McCain, his family, and their babysitter flew on Keating-owned or -chartered jets nine times, including three trips to Cat Cay, Keating’s vacation estate in the Bahamas. And in 1986, Keating cut Cindy McCain and her father into Fountain Square Shopping Center, a strip mall that American Continental Corporation built and managed, for a $359,000 investment.

    <...>

    McCain’s career survived the Keating Five scandal. In 1992 he won reelection with 56 percent of the vote. Then he emerged as one of Congress’s leading advocates of political reform. In 1995 he helped to pass a $50 limit on the gifts that senators and members of their staffs can accept from outside interests, as well as a lobbying disclosure law that forces special interests to disclose how much they pay and whom they hire to lobby on particular issues. That year, McCain and Democratic Senator Russell Feingold of Wisconsin began pushing their proposal to overhaul the nation’s campaign finance system.

    A year later, McCain was the only Republican in the Senate to vote against the 1996 Telecommunications Act. Proponents of the law insisted that massive deregulation of the telecommunications industry would bring more Americans into the information age at lower prices. But as McCain tells it, the legislation was “written by every interest in the world except consumers.”

    So far, McCain has been right. Cable rates are up 6.8 percent nationwide, and rates for telephone service have gone up as much as 20 percent in some states. Instead of stiffer compe ion, there’s been speedier consolidation, with one merger after another: NYNEX and Bell Atlantic; SBC Communications, Inc., and Pacific Telesis Group; AT&T and TCI Communications, Inc.

    In 1997, McCain found himself in a position to do something about the telecommunications mess. He succeeded the law’s chief sponsor, Larry Pressler of South Dakota, as the chairman of the Commerce Committee, which has jurisdiction over the telecommunications, aviation, and high-tech industries, among others.

    While McCain may have come to the job with a well-do ented distaste for unregulated monopolies, his equally strong dislike of regulation has led him time and again to side with companies or industries he believes will make a market more compe ive. The result: McCain pushes their agenda, and they finance his campaigns.

    Corporate interests with business before the Commerce Committee have showered money on McCain — enough money to help him raise $4.4 million for his 1998 Senate race, more than 10 times as much as his opponent, Ed Ranger, a political novice.
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    So much for McCain's past being out of bounds....and why isn't Sean Insannity talking about this?

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    So much for McCain's past being out of bounds....and why isn't Sean Insannity talking about this?
    He's afraid McCain may get pissed off and mess up his hair.

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    So much for McCain's past being out of bounds....and why isn't Sean Insannity talking about this?
    Even the liberal talking heads aren't talking about it, it's a non-story.


    Now get your sensationalist butt back to digging for slime, pronto!

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    Hmmm, McCain first marriage is relevant. Obama's
    wife is off-limits. McCain's association with the Keating
    5 is relevant. Obama's association with Rezko and the
    bomber guy is not.

    Hey let's talk about Obama's big ears......

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    Isn't McCain's new wife young, pretty and owns a brewery?

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    Vote For JFK2 JohnnyMarzetti's Avatar
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    Hmmm, McCain first marriage is relevant. Obama's
    wife is off-limits. McCain's association with the Keating
    5 is relevant. Obama's association with Rezko and the
    bomber guy is not.

    Hey let's talk about Obama's big ears......
    Payback is a ain't it. I'm tired of the attack jobs from the right going unanswered. You all want to play hardball then shut up and take what you dish out.

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    Retired Ray xrayzebra's Avatar
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    Isn't McCain's new wife young, pretty and owns a brewery?
    A man's dream come true. Obama's is just young
    and pretty, no brewery....Obama eat your heart out.

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    Vote For JFK2 JohnnyMarzetti's Avatar
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    Isn't McCain's new wife young, pretty and owns a brewery?
    Young? Yeah, for a mummy.

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    Retired Ray xrayzebra's Avatar
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    Young? Yeah, for a mummy.
    I am sure you would turn her down.....yeah, like
    fudge, you would.

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    I am sure you would turn her down.....yeah, like
    fudge, you would.
    I'm not into the dead.


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