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Does anyone have a clip of that bibby/kobe incident? I searched on youtube but couldn't find much
My thoughts exactly. Only thing that could be questioned is 05, that's the only team close. (DET)
Does anyone have a clip of that bibby/kobe incident? I searched on youtube but couldn't find much
Last edited by GooberNuts; 06-10-2008 at 06:20 PM. Reason: clarity
Phillip,
I think we now know where the asterisk should reside. In Los Angeles.
As usual instead of pointing the fingers where they should be pointed (at the refs, Stern, and the NBA higher ups), Spur fan is calling out Phil Jackson.
How did game 6 of the 2002 WCF not convince you of this?
27 freethrows, 2 players ejected, and a Bibby bloody nose that somehow fouled Kobe Bryant's elbow..........all in the 4th quarter?
I find it funny how Laker fans denied this game being rigged over and over and over.................and now claim their own series is rigged, yet won't acknowledge what has benefited them in the past.
no, sorry, but i did find this kobe/webber incident that looked suspect (well, at least to me it did)
A man with a Philosophical mindset is no idiot. For him to further exacerbate the problem he is well aware of is uncalled for. Thus, the attention payed to him is warranted. But, aside from that, the front office is definetly at fault.
Salvatore worked that game 6 I think.
He also worked the pivotal game 5 of the 06 Finals, the one where Dirk was hitting the tough shots and Wade was shooting free throws to "match his heroics". F.... bull , that's what the NBA is. I am sorry I have spent so much on this sport.
here is espn's story...looks like van gundy may not have been insane
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3436401
Donaghy docs allege refs altered games, broke league rules
ESPN.com
Updated: June 10, 2008, 7:13 PM ET
Jeff Van Gundy ultimately backed off comments that a referee told him officials had targeted Yao Ming in the Houston Rockets' 2005 first-round playoff series against the Dallas Mavericks. Maybe Van Gundy was right after all.
A letter sent to the sentencing court on behalf of convicted former referee Tim Donaghy outlines just such a plan. Donaghy's legal team is trying to demonstrate his cooperation with a federal government investigation before he is sentenced on July 14 on felony charges for taking cash payoffs from gamblers and betting on games himself.
Do ents
• Tim Donaghy, right, claims that other referees were involved in altering NBA games. Read PDF
• The Donaghy legal team addresses the NBA's claim that he must pay $1 million res ution. Read PDF
In other do ents filed with the Brooklyn court, Donaghy's lawyers responded to the NBA's claim that he must pay $1 million in res ution to cover the cost of the league's private investigation.
The letter alleging referees altered games mentions only the year 2005, but the cir stances make it apparent that it is referring to the Rockets-Mavs series.
"Team 3 lost the first two games in the series and Team 3's owner complained to NBA officials," the letter says. "Team 3's owner alleged that referees were letting a Team 4 player get away with illegal screens. NBA Executive Y told Referee Supervisor Z that the referees for that game were to enforce the screening rules strictly against that Team 4 player. Referee Supervisor Z informed the referees about his instructions. As an alternate referee for that game, Tim also received these instructions."
Mavs owner Mark Cuban complained after his team lost the first two games of the series, and Dallas went on to beat Houston in seven games. Van Gundy said that a working referee had told him about the league's plan. Donaghy's letter claims that Supervisor Z contacted the coach. Van Gundy was fined $100,000.
Looking at box scores from the series, however, the only game in which Yao fouled out was Game 1. He did average 4.4 fouls per game in the series.
The letter also details an incident in the 2002 playoffs in which Donaghy alleges that two referees, who were known as NBA "company men," wanted to extend a series to seven games. "Team 5" could have wrapped up the series in Game 6 but saw two players foul out, lost the game and ultimately the series.
Only one series went to seven games in the 2002 playoffs: Los Angeles Lakers against Sacramento Kings.
In Game 6, the Lakers made 34-of-40 free throws to 18-of-25 for the Kings. In the fourth quarter alone, Los Angeles hit 21-of-27 from the line while Sacramento made 7-of-9. After that game, a 106-102 Lakers win, Kings coach Rick Adelman expressed his frustration with the officiating.
"Our big guys get 20 fouls tonight and [Shaquille O'Neal] gets four? You tell me how the game went," Adelman said. "It's just the way it is. Obviously, they got the game called the way they wanted to get it called."
Donaghy also alleges that team executives conspired with the league to prevent star players from being called for too many fouls or being ejected. He claimed that league officials told referees that doing so would "hurt ticket sales and television ratings."
According to the letter, when an official did eject a star player in the first quarter of a game in 2000, he was privately reprimanded.
In addition to game-altering allegations, Donaghy's letter claims that many officials carry on "relationships" with team executives, coaches and players that violate their NBA contracts.
"Tim described one referee's use of a team's practice facility to exercise and another's frequent tennis matches with a team's coach," the letter states.
The NBA has not commented on Donaghy's allegations. Donaghy's attorney and federal prosecutors also declined to comment to The Associated Press on Tuesday. Donaghy faces up to 33 months in prison.
where are all the mav fans who compare that series to thier choke jobs now?
I am here,
always believed the Kings were hosed in game 6,
always believed that the Mavs were hosed in games 3,5,6 of the 06 Finals.
And appearently the Rox were hosed against us as well. If that's the case I won't hide behind any arguments. The 05 Mavs weren't that great anyway.
Does anyone remember this kind of outrage towards the refs during the 80's and early 90's?
I don't, maybe the league at the time was doing very well on its own and had no interest in trying to manipulate ratings, or promote stars.
This decade is full with awful decisions in key moments.
27 Fourth Quarter Free Throws For Lakers.
The Proof Is In The Pudding
Interesting tidbit from a kings fan over at kingsfans.com
(Side note: About a month after the game, NBA TV replayed the game, and with about five minutes left in the fourth quarter, the game cut off and NBA Inside Stuff with Ahmad Rashad came on. Honestly. The game cut off in the middle of the fourth quarter and never came back on. I swear. I'll never forget it.)
I've known this since game 7 of the 2000 WCF.
geez..this is the only time I'm glad that the Spurs were never have the league's or ref's love
This is a blockbuster story that should eclipse even the finals coverage.
I have to wonder if the talking sock puppets will have the stones to even mention it during the game
NBA and ABC have a billions dollar lease til 2015, i doubt they will mention much of it.
Rings?
Tim Duncan = 4
Shaq = 3*1
Kobe = 2*1
I do believe the game will be called semi-fairly tonight.
Seriously, who didn't know there was something going on with that game? But to hear the truth come from a source is TROUBLING.
So...everyone knows that Bob Delaney reffed Game 2 of 2008 Celts/Lakers AND Game 6 of the 2002 Kings/Lakers, right?
lol @ atx er. No, you really aren't obsessed with the Mavs or their fans. a huge scandal has just broken out that very likely vindicates your team from their chokejob of a series, NOT ONE MENTION OF THE MAVS ANYWHERE IN THIS STORY, NO SPECULATION NO NOTHING, yet you still bring them up. what a stupid sucker.
He may just be trying to cover his ass, but the fact that a lot of us find it believable should tell you something.
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