I think that historically the Spurs tend to make one big mistake every year they win a Championship... and it is to resign players that aren't worth much. They did it with Malik Rose, Jaren Jackson, Robert Horry, Matt Bonner, Jacque Vaughn, and I would even go as far as saying that Oberto's contract was also a mistake. Couple that with two very dumb free agent signings in Elson and Butler. And a cherry on top in letting go players like Stephen Jackson, and Turkoglu who would have been great contributors.
I know many of you will say that they do as loyalty to players who were part of the championship team... but frankly they have to learn a little more about planning ahead.
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1) The Spurs didn't "let Jackson go". He left. The Spurs made him an offer...he refused it...and ended up taking less to play in Atlanta. This point has been made ad nauseum.
2) There's a reason Turkoglu was "most improved" this year...because he SUCKED before this year.
Malik Rose was worth resigning, just not the money. Horry? Sorry man, but he was worth it - even Vaughn has been good as a backup. Matt Bonner? That one's only a problem because of the length, and I personally think that Oberto is good - he's just not as solid as we need in a starter.
I guess loyalty plays a part of their decision making, but I think their conservative approach to roster decisions is a bigger one i.e. they aren't big risk takers. They like to stick with what works and go with known quan ies rather than gamble on players who may have a bigger payoff.
I had and have issues with Oberto too - up until his Game 4 performance in the NBA Finals. He has value to this team, but he SHOULD NOT be a starter for this team. The fact the Pop continues to force him into that role says as much to the lack of depth at the position as anything else.
As for reupping Bonner - mistake.
Scola? Looks like another mistake - especially now that Splitter is lost
Last edited by SenorSpur; 06-12-2008 at 12:57 PM.
i have only issue with the Bonner contract
I think they've done well, with the exception of a few recent free agent signings. Butler was a mistake. Bonner, in my estimation, was a mistake. But the Butler signing had a hand in the Scola trade, which was unavoidable.
But for the most part, they come up aces more times than not.
I don't believe in signing players due to loyalty. You sign players for what they will give you in the future not the past.
Signing players for what they gave you in the past without the foresight of the future will lead to failure.
In a market as small as SA's; coupled with the limited financial (relatively) resources at their disposal; the way the front office handles its player relationships is VERY important when it come to negotiating with players who are not yet Spurs. Spurs don't have the liberty of being bottom line businessmen in many cases.
I somewhat agree with the original post.
Agree
Too many missed opportunities to land high risk/high reward players like R Wallace and Sprewell as examples.
Yeah right! Thats why they attract so many of the top free agents.
I will say that hindsight is 20/20. They could have offered more $$$ to S Jackson.
Or he could have accepted the $$$ offered instead of taking LESS to play elsewhere.
Jackson was not a mistake on the Spurs part.
Who the is RJ?
Sure there were some mistakes, but Nobody works mistake free. They've done a better job than anyone at being right the most.
If i remember correctly Jackson was offered 3 years 9 million and he wanted close to the MLE....For a guy that was young and upcoming, who hit big shots and was a proven playoff warrior I think it was wrong for the spurs to laugh at what the MLE he wanted. Especially when the year after they offer the money Jackson wanted to Brent Barry. Don't get me wrong Barry has been a solid contributor to our team but for the same price I'd rather have Action Jackson. I think RC and Pop going after Jason Kidd and not Jermaine O'Neal was a mistake at the time with Parker growing and maturing into a top PG. Now it doesn't look so bad with Jermaine being hurt a lot. On another hand giving Rasho and Malik 90 million dollars in contract was absurd. Even though R.C has gotten rid of their contracts for Matt Bonner 2 first round picks and a rental of Nazr.
sure they do
Jackson's planned worked out pretty good for him. He wnet out and played in Atlanta and played his way to a pretty big contract and all he had to do was play in Atlanta for one year. Let's see you take less money for three years when you know you are worth more and will make more in about two more years. People act like taking less money is so easy. In this world, more money usually lures people.
Mistakes since 2002:
-Signing Malik Rose to a 7 year 42 million dollar contract. To cover up this mistake R.C had to take away some of our future by giving up 2 first round picks to get rid of Malik. They also recieved a year rental of Nazr Mohammed.( Was a piece that helped us win a ring in 05').
-Not giving Stephen Jackson the 5 mil per he wanted. R.C probably made the best trade in recent Spurs history by trading away retiring Danny Ferry for a year rental of Hedo and Ron chuck Mercer.
- Going after Jason Kidd and not Jermaine O'Neal, resulted in us trading our first round pick which could have been Barbosa or Josh Howard
- Signing Rasho Nestorovic to a 6 year 48 million dollar contract. After 3 years with the Spurs he was traded for Matt Bonner and Eric Williams (yay).
- Signing of Jackie Butler for 3 years 8 million. Resulted in us having to part with one of the top assets overseas in Luis Scola so Peter Holt didn't have to pay the Lux tax.
- Resigning of Matt Bonner for 3 years 9 million. Last year in a water downed free agency where Udoka had to settle for 1 million, Spurs for some reason were in a hurry to resign Bonner and signed him withing the first week of free agency. If they could have waited they could have signed Bonner for a lot less.
- Signing Matt Bonner instead of Luis Scola.
- Trading away Beno Udrih when his value was at the lowest it could possibly be for a player in the NBA.
- Drafting Tiago Splitter.
All in all R.C has done a good job covering up his mistakes by trading away the contracts of Malik and Rasho, but he's done a piss poor job when it comes to the draft. The only players we have to show for the past 7 drafts are Ian Mahinmi, and Tiago Splitter( who probably won't dawn the black and silver).
Good post.
I agree with the above, but the Spurs have done well for themselves. We have won three championships since our first in 1999. The mistakes are obvious now, but back then, some of those didn't seem like mistakes.
Maybe to you they didn't seem like mistakes.
what are your mistakes?
hindsight is always 20-20
and they is know way to know if sj would have played well in sa after his coach mike brown left
also sj wanted to guarantee start
would that have went over well with other spur players that have to earn to start?
jermaine O'Neal committed to the Pacers before they went after kidd.Going after Jason Kidd and not Jermaine O'Neal
wrong again.
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