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    Isn't that basically what MLB is doing about steroids in baseball?
    This would be worse though. If Umpires were rigging games so the Yankees were always in the WS, that is worse than rogue players who took steroids.

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    at MavFan actually believing Stern let the Spurs win 4 championships as some sort of decoy.

    Honestly, I have no idea what to even say to that.

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    This is getting worse than baseball. I cant wait to see what the NFL digs up.

    mma>College sports>pro sports

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    As an outsider I completely agree with this sentiment. The Spurs being a small market team an winning is unbelievable.
    I don't think the league conspired against us. We got the benefit of the doubt in the Cleveland series most of the time. That series easily could have gone 5 at least.

    However, if the Spurs never won a le, the fix would be obvious.

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    I have to say, after a friend of mine, who is a ref for basketball games (high school) said in his blog (http://teacherrefpoet.blogspot.com) that HE thinks the NBA is rigged...well, suddenly I'm a lot more convinced that the mounting evidence against the NBA is real. He's usually the one convincing me that my rants about ref jobs is off-base, tainted by homerism. So the fact that HE is now saying HE believes the NBA is rigged - well, that carries weight.

    And it's very, very depressing. I love basketball - but I will watch less and enjoy it less if the integrity of the game is so deeply damaged.

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    I have to say, after a friend of mine, who is a ref for basketball games (high school) said in his blog (http://teacherrefpoet.blogspot.com) that HE thinks the NBA is rigged...well, suddenly I'm a lot more convinced that the mounting evidence against the NBA is real. He's usually the one convincing me that my rants about ref jobs is off-base, tainted by homerism. So the fact that HE is now saying HE believes the NBA is rigged - well, that carries weight.

    And it's very, very depressing. I love basketball - but I will watch less and enjoy it less if the integrity of the game is so deeply damaged.
    Yeah, that transcript of the conversation between Stern and Officials A and F was devastating. Truffle?

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    What this is boiling down to is that the league isn't fixed per se, but that the powers that be try to influence outcomes by protecting star players and favoring big market teams.

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    Hunker down you hairy Dawgs! romad_20's Avatar
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    I have to say, after a friend of mine, who is a ref for basketball games (high school) said in his blog (http://teacherrefpoet.blogspot.com) that HE thinks the NBA is rigged...well, suddenly I'm a lot more convinced that the mounting evidence against the NBA is real. He's usually the one convincing me that my rants about ref jobs is off-base, tainted by homerism. So the fact that HE is now saying HE believes the NBA is rigged - well, that carries weight.

    And it's very, very depressing. I love basketball - but I will watch less and enjoy it less if the integrity of the game is so deeply damaged.
    I think the blog was being a bit sarcastic

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    Donaghy just trying to make a name for himself. It is total bull . No fixing as that would be stupid.

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    I see it the other way. If the NBA was openly trying to conspire with the goal of making more money by lengthening series and favoring big markets, that makes the Spurs winning four championships during the middle of this age even more impressive. No way the NBA would conspire to have podunk muddy river San Antonio win -- four times. And only one Game 7 in the four championship runs?

    That's domination against the conspiring forces.


    I've always believed Pop's instilling of not fouling has given the spurs an indellible and unstoppable edge against any type of manipulation by the league. It is extremely difficult to call phantom fouls consistently on a team that plays incredibly smart on that end of the floor.

    I think most spurs fans will agree we've played 5 on 8 more than a few times in the playoffs. See Mavericks/Spurs, 2006

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    Donaghy just trying to make a name for himself. It is total bull . No fixing as that would be stupid.
    Making a name for himself? And this would benefit him how?

    The dude is already getting a lesser sentence by cooperating with the feds, why would he want to lie under oath and potentially get himself in more trouble?

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    Making a name for himself? And this would benefit him how?

    The dude is already getting a lesser sentence by cooperating with the feds, why would he want to lie under oath and potentially get himself in more trouble?

    Even if a federal investigation turns up nothing, Donaghy's statement in the letter isn't incriminating him in any way. This is just a personal vendetta against Stern and the league for the $1 million res ution -- but it still could be true.

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    Donaghy just trying to make a name for himself. It is total bull . No fixing as that would be stupid.

    not fixing, but influencing.

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    This is getting worse than baseball. I cant wait to see what the NFL digs up.

    mma>College sports>pro sports



    MMA is totally fixed, give me a break.

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    MMA is totally fixed, give me a break.
    I was thinking the exact same thing. Did you not watch that trash they put on CBS two weeks ago?

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    I was thinking the exact same thing. Did you not watch that trash they put on CBS two weeks ago?

    kiiiiimmmboooooooooooo

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    not fixing, but influencing.
    there have been fixed games...here is an interview with a professional NBA gambler

    http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/...y-Scandal.html

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    I was thinking the exact same thing. Did you not watch that trash they put on CBS two weeks ago?

    you mean where thompson's eyes were rolling back into his head as he was getting pounded? yeah it was stopped a little early but they stopped everything early on CBS. name me 1 fight they weren't overly cautious with from that show.

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    I was thinking the exact same thing. Did you not watch that trash they put on CBS two weeks ago?
    EliteXC before Kimbo was decent. Dont judge mma based off that. that was trash. watch the UFC.

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    MMA seems slow and weak to me. I'd rather just see regular and/or bare knuckle boxing. Screw that gay as rolling around on the ground bull .

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    wtf is up with this...

    "investicating"

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    Hunker down you hairy Dawgs! romad_20's Avatar
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    EliteXC before Kimbo was decent. Dont judge mma based off that. that was trash. watch the UFC.
    I've watched UFC from the early 90's, they definately put the best product out there but all fighting is subject to the fix and I think they put it in from time to time.

    While we're hijacking this thread

    you mean where thompson's eyes were rolling back into his head as he was getting pounded? yeah it was stopped a little early but they stopped everything early on CBS. name me 1 fight they weren't overly cautious with from that show.
    I wasn't talking about the stop of the fight, I was talking about Kimbo getting pounded in the head for 1 1/2 mins in the 2nd round (it wasn't stopped then) and falling on the ground after the fight completely out of it. He would be destroyed by any of the top fighters in UFC right now. I think Lesnar would beat him, honestly.

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    Yes because the NBA wants a team from the poor South Texas market that they never even wanted in the league in the first place to win playoff games. Wake the F up, Kobe Quotes.
    @ Kobe quotes.

    I can't believe some people/ (especially Laker Fan) are arguing that the League had incentive to make less money from both T.V. ratings, and winning a championship for the league's smallest market.

    I'm actually now not surprised by how Stern looked the other way when the refs were allowed to follow through with their vendetta against Tim Duncan, bias against Manu Ginobili's "foreigner flopping" all through the regular season. Our boys got beat up more than usual thanks to that Crawford debacle.
    Not to mention Pop and Crawford going at in the playoffs and STILL no action taken with the ref bias issue.

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    And in addition to the three point shot that got waved off they gave a 3 to Kerr about two posessions later that was clearly shot after the 24 second clock expired. 98' wasn't so bad, only the pushoff, but the Jazz got royally hosed by Bavetta in 97.

    It's cool you guys remember that stuff.
    To go back to game 6 of the 1998 Finals...........

    In the 1st half, 2 other controversial calls : Eisley scores a long 3 at the 24 shotclock buzzer; it was waived off by the refs, but when looking at the replay, it was clearly before the buzzer.
    Then a bit later,Ron Harper scores a jumper at the buzzer, but it was after !

    2 ways to kill the momentum (on purpose?)

    Plus, Bulls won by 1.

    You do the math

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    In the 1st half, 2 other controversial calls : Eisley scores a long 3 at the 24 shotclock buzzer; it was waived off by the refs, but when looking at the replay, it was clearly before the buzzer.
    Then a bit later,Ron Harper scores a jumper at the buzzer, but it was after !
    Those were Bavetta calls too. Both of them. For a long time after that SLC booed every single call that he made.

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