Possible Trade Scenarios?

[DPG21920]

He's also clearly limited offensively and had next to no athleticism when the Spurs brought him on board a few years ago...now he's practically nailed to the floor.

I love Oberto for what he brings to the Spurs, but to think that other teams would appreciate those intangibles enough to give up high-potential players on rookie contracts....it's not sound logic.

Once again, I have to respectfully disagree. The Bulls do need size, they have enough youth, and they are over crowded at the two spot. They have a new coach, no one with any championship experience, and Thabo was often lost in the shuffle. Oberto is not offensively limited (athletically he is), he is system limited. Have you guys watched him play freely, or for Argentina? You saw what he can do passing the ball, good finisher around the rim and has a nice jumper when he does not hesitate. Think of Hedo Turkoglu when he was a Spur. He was the same player, but not one of the top 3 options, same as Barry. You see what some of those guys can do when you go to them, which I think the Bulls would more often than the Spurs do.

[DPG21920]

Thabo and Tyrus for Bonner and Oberto???? Are you serious? You couldn't get one of those players for Bonner and Oberto, let alone both.

You are crazy!! Center that have nice skill sets and high basketball I.Q. are extremely rare in this league, especially ones that have a ring and cost only 3.5 million dollars. That is a downright steal at that price considering Dampier makes 10.5 million. The Bulls would definitely give up one of those players for Oberto straight up, but it does not work that way because of salary reasons. They need a center who can make plays at both ends and be a locker room guy. The Bulls were ready to ship Tyrus out in many deals this year, but none got done because everyone wanted Deng.

[ss1986v2]

You are crazy!! Center that have nice skill sets and high basketball I.Q. are extremely rare in this league, especially ones that have a ring and cost only 3.5 million dollars. That is a downright steal at that price considering Dampier makes 10.5 million. The Bulls would definitely give up one of those players for Oberto straight up, but it does not work that way because of salary reasons. They need a center who can make plays at both ends and be a locker room guy. The Bulls were ready to ship Tyrus out in many deals this year, but none got done because everyone wanted Deng.

[DPG21920]

If Tyrus and Thabo are so good, then why did they not crack the rotation consistently? They have potential, but have shown nothing incredible yet. Oberto, you know what you can get out of him. I think some of you are way off base. Big men are always more valuable then little guys, that is why the same ones are always in the league, I mean who would have thought the Foyle and Mbenga and Mihm and players like that would be on rosters still, but guys with potential like James White, Gerald Green and other "young ballers" are out of the league.

[DPG21920]

I guess Hedo Turkoglu was offensively limited as well when he was on the Spurs? Why then is he capable of doing what he does now? Same as Brent Barry, but yet when we let him handle the ball and shoot, he does very well. Players like Oberto play within a system, and while he is not the best player in the world, if allowed to, he could easily be scoring 12 points a game and grabbing 8 rebounds along with 2 assists. He is just in the Spurs system where they do not allow him to do certain things, just like Barry, just like Turkoglu. Just like Beno. All examples of guys you all probably said had no trade value, especially Beno, and now look at ya, fools.

[DPG21920]

Probably the same guys who wanted James White to start, obviously coaches think like you!

[ynh]

If Tyrus and Thabo are so good, then why did they not crack the rotation consistently? They have potential, but have shown nothing incredible yet. Oberto, you know what you can get out of him. I think some of you are way off base. Big men are always more valuable then little guys, that is why the same ones are always in the league, I mean who would have thought the Foyle and Mbenga and Mihm and players like that would be on rosters still, but guys with potential like James White, Gerald Green and other "young ballers" are out of the league.

Bulls would never do that.. they are not going to trade one, let alone two, promising young players for Oberto.. and you really overvalue Oberto.

[DPG21920]

Bonner was involved in the trade as well, and the Spurs could include the #26 pick. I am not saying it is the best trade in the world, but for people to act like the Bulls would not even consider giving up one of those players for Oberto is outrageous to me. I was arguing that Oberto is worth one of those players for sure, especially since they need veteran centers. The trade was for two players because it would have to be for salaries to match-up, but I do not think it is that far fetched. The argument for saying go on the Bulls forum and ask about Oberto is just dumb, considering the average NBA fan does not watch Oberto play on a night-in, night-out basis. That is the same people who say that the Minnesota trade giving up Garnett was just as bad as the Memphis trade giving up Gasol. They never watched Al Jefferson play in Boston because they sucked and they do not watch Minnesota now and realize that Al Jefferson was 1 of 5 guys to average 20 points and 10 boards. That was a great trade for Minnesota.

[ynh]

How is Oberto going to help them? They don't need a mediocre center they need someone with a back to the basket game.. and even if they wanted to move one of those two young players for a center they could get someone better then Oberto.. they could get someone for the MLE better or atleast equal to that. The bulls would have no reason to make that deal.. and the 26th pick is a crap shoot and chances are your not getting anything more then a bench player there.

[DPG21920]

That is the point, Oberto makes way less the MLE, he makes 3.5, that is an absolute steal. He would help them greatly especially defensively, obviously he helped the Spurs to a championship and Argentina to a gold medal. How can you act like he sucks when he starts for the Spurs? He has more game than he shows (you see it in flashes) he just does not get any plays called for him. If he was on another team, he could open up his game, just like Scola does for the Rockets.

[DPG21920]

Name who they can get for that price that is better. With his kind of pedigree or resume (NBA championship starting center, Olympic gold medal winner starting center).

[DPG21920]

Oberto is not the answer to all their problems, but that would be a solid trade for both teams in my opinion.

[Sigz]

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The Bulls would be idiots to agree to that trade.

[DPG21920]

But I guess it is hard to give up young talent for guys like Oberto

[ynh]

Um.. honestly just sticking with Thomas and Theoblo or whatever his name is would be better.. that's why they wouldn't do it. Just cause Oberto is the spurs starting center doesn't mean he's all that good or that he's a championship calliber center.. the guy next to him is Tim Duncan that's the only reason he is a "championship center". And again even if they wanted to move those guys.. they could put them in an even bigger deal to get more worth out of them and get someone allot better then Oberto. And Oberto wouldn't be Scola on a different team.

[DPG21920]

How do you know that? Did you follow Scola and Oberto? You only know what you have seen this year. Scola is more talented than Oberto, but not by light years...

[DPG21920]

But I doubt the Spurs would give up Oberto, Pop loves him. Unless it is a no-brainer.

[DPG21920]

What did you guys think of Beno when he was on the Spurs? 90% of you thought he had no trade value and that he was a scrub. Now, when given a chance to run a team in a different system, he is excelling.

[DPG21920]

Another question: So do you think that if Tyrus Thomas switched with Oberto, the Spurs would do better this year in the playoffs, or last year when they won? You never answered my question, name a guy of his skill set that makes around 3.5 million that you could get.

[ynh]

I honestly don't have the time to sit here and look up saleries. Point is they wouldn't make the trade.. I don't think anyone on here agreed that they would think of making the trade. You don't trade young for old and Oberto is nothing more then a PJ Brown level player, ring or no ring.

[DPG21920]

Um.. honestly just sticking with Thomas and Theoblo or whatever his name is would be better.. that's why they wouldn't do it. Just cause Oberto is the spurs starting center doesn't mean he's all that good or that he's a championship calliber center.. the guy next to him is Tim Duncan that's the only reason he is a "championship center". And again even if they wanted to move those guys.. they could put them in an even bigger deal to get more worth out of them and get someone allot better then Oberto. And Oberto wouldn't be Scola on a different team.

They tried to trade those players in bigger deals and no one took it. It shows you something. Everyone turned down the trade because Luol Deng was not included, but everyone else was. So the Bulls were willing to part with them.

[DPG21920]

Exactly, why did so many teams want PJ Brown?

[DPG21920]

How is Oberto going to help them? They don't need a mediocre center they need someone with a back to the basket game.. and even if they wanted to move one of those two young players for a center they could get someone better then Oberto.. they could get someone for the MLE better or atleast equal to that. The bulls would have no reason to make that deal.. and the 26th pick is a crap shoot and chances are your not getting anything more then a bench player there.

But you said if they wanted to move one of the younger players they could get a better center or I quote: " they could get someone for the MLE better or at least equal to that". If there is that many centers that are better naming 1 for that price should not be difficult.

[ynh]

They tried to trade those players in bigger deals and no one took it. It shows you something. Everyone turned down the trade because Luol Deng was not included, but everyone else was. So the Bulls were willing to part with them.

So... they are just going to give the up for Oberto, Bonner and the 26th pick.. yeah.

[ynh]

But you said if they wanted to move one of the younger players they could get a better center or I quote: " they could get someone for the MLE better or at least equal to that". If there is that many centers that are better naming 1 for that price should not be difficult.

Is there a point to this.. Jesus.. Diop ummm PJ Brown.. I told you I don't have the time to look up saleries and I'm not really that interested in proving that this trade wouldn't happen (when everyone knows it wouldn't) to sit here and look up FA and pay.