PER is fine. Wade was awesome that year in the finals. Does it mean he is the best player ever? Hardly. But for that playoff and especially the finals he did an excellent Jordan Impersonation.
For those who think that The Dream was better than Big Fundamental, compare this:
Hakeem from 1994
26.9 points, 9.1 boards, 3.9 blocks and 3.6 assists per game for the series.
Timmy from 2003
24.2 points, 17.0 boards, 5.3 assists and 5.3 blocks per game for the series.
I know that Hakeem went down vs Ewing, but Tim was against KMart and Mutombo...
But, c'mon...
97 ft
Wade was very good but referees was awful
Are you a ing pervert?!? What type of ass puts pics of scantly clad underaged girls on his sig? Here is an idea, get that out of here.
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His brain would explode if he tried to even compute the PER of a sexual climax.
Watch the games.
Wade's entire game is to attack the rim. If you attack the rim, you get fouled most of the time. Especially a weak Mavs team....
It's hilarious. If a player shoots too many FT's, it doesn't matter if they earned it by attacking the rim all night. Fans cry scandal anyway. Look at Wade now, he's injured. Everyone knew it would happen because his style of play is aggressive and reckless, very tough on the body.
If you want to argue Wade at #1 or not, you can't argue he isn't in the top 3 with his performance in 06. He single-handedly carried that old HEAT team to the ring.
Here, I saved a spot on the couch next to me, Nuggets fan.
We can watch the Finals from here
Don't talk about 'phantom fouls' ever again.
Instead of appreciating Wade for that performance, you guys would rather attack him and make up conspiracy theories.
He's a humble guy like Timmy Duncan.
Last edited by MiamiHeat; 06-12-2008 at 08:19 PM.
My method yields the most empirical evaluation of a player's playoff performance. If somebody has a better one, I'm all ears.
Until then . . .
PER rulez, es!
as far as this Wade discussion is concerned, it doesnt matter WHO it was called on, he was fouled.
the discussion was not "OMG REFZ CALLEDA FOUL ON DIRK AND NOT HARRIS!"
I thought refs were supposed to swallow their whistles in the final seconds? And that if you want a call, you have to flop to get it? That's what I learned in Game 4 of the WCF this year.
I guess jumping right into a guy isn't quite as blatant a foul as quickly grabbing a guy's wrist as he's blowing by you.
Should note that there are a few mentions of the Spurs in that article. Duncan Robinson and Parker all make the top 50.
Just to Copy and paste the relevant portions here:
3. Tim Duncan, San Antonio, 2003
DUNCAN'S STATS
Points per game: 24.2
Boards per game: 17.0
Assists per game: 5.3
PER: 32.0 The single most underrated Finals performance of all time, hands down, belongs to Duncan in 2003.
Relatively few viewers saw it because of the Spurs-Nets pairing, and because of the general consensus that the East was something of a minor league. But Duncan was unbelievable.
Despite going up against two top-notch defensive players in Kenyon Martin and Dikembe Mutombo, and despite lacking a superstar teammate to deflect attention (Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili were just getting their feet wet, while David Robinson was on his way out), Duncan completely dominated. His averages of 24.2 points, 17.0 boards and 5.3 assists were impressive enough, but what really sealed the deal was his defense.
Duncan averaged 5.3 blocks per game for the series, the most of any player since the merger, and was at his best in the clinching Game 6 as San Antonio rallied from an eight-point fourth-quarter deficit. He fell two blocks shy of a quadruple-double and forced the Nets' Martin into a 3-for-23 disaster from the floor. Overall, his 32.0 PER for the series is the second-best since the merger.
11. Tim Duncan, San Antonio, 1999
FINALS STATS
Points per game: 27.4
Boards per game: 14.0
Blocks per game: 2.2
PER: 30.7
With the NBA reeling from missing part of the season due to a lockout, and with two defensive-minded teams squaring off in the Finals, a lot of fans gave this one a pass.
Those who stuck around witnessed a dominating effort on both ends by Duncan, who averaged 27.4 points and 14.0 rebounds, shot 53 percent from the floor and even went 35-for-44 from the line. Included in Duncan's tally were 33 and 16 in the opener and a run in the second half of the clinching Game 5 when he scored 14 of San Antonio's 15 points.
Meanwhile, he keyed one of the best defensive efforts in Finals history -- New York didn't clear 90 points the entire series and mustered only 67 in a suffocating Game 2 Spurs win.
With Duncan leading the way, San Antonio set an NBA record by winning 12 straight playoff games, and his series PER of 30.7 is the seventh-best since the merger. He also is one of only three players -- Michael Jordan and Shaquille O'Neal are the others -- to have two or more Finals series with a 30-plus PER.
32. David Robinson, San Antonio, 1999
FINALS STATS
Points per game: 18.6
Boards per game: 11.8
Blocks per game: 3.0
PER: 26.3
What made this edition of the Spurs so dangerous is that both the Admiral and Tim Duncan were near the peak of their powers. Once Robinson's back loosened up, San Antonio shook off a 6-8 start to finish the season on a 46-7 tear.
He was a lethal second weapon against the Knicks in the Finals, too, with 18.6 points, 11.8 boards and 3.0 blocks, and he piled up 48 free-throw attempts in five games on his way to his first championship. In Game 4, Duncan (18) and Robinson (17) combined to outrebound the entire Knicks team.
34. Tony Parker, San Antonio, 2007
FINALS STATS
Points per game: 24.5
Boards per game: 5.0
Assists per game: 3.3
PER: 26.0
This was an absolute dog of a series, with Cleveland overmatched against the mighty Spurs, but let's give Parker credit for shooting better than ever. He scored 24.5 points per game and shot 56.8 percent from the floor by continually punishing the Cavs for conceding long jumpers to him in order to stop his drives.
That's been the game plan against Parker his whole career, but for four games last June his shooting stroke gave him the perfect antidote.
36. Tim Duncan, San Antonio, 2007
FINALS STATS
Points per game: 18.3
Boards per game: 11.5
Blocks per game: 2.25
PER: 25.2
Some felt Duncan should have been the series MVP instead of Parker, and those folks had a case.
While Duncan struggled offensively in the Game 4 clincher, it was his rock-solid defense that provided the backbone of a scheme to suffocate Cavs star LeBron James. Additionally, he posted his usual solid numbers -- 18.3 points, 11.5 boards, 2.3 blocks -- and nearly matched Parker in terms of PER.
40. Tim Duncan, San Antonio, 2005
FINALS STATS
Points per game: 20.6
Boards per game: 14.1
Blocks per game: 2.14
PER: 21.8
Duncan averaged 20.6 points and 14.1 boards for the series, though he didn't dominate against the Pistons' imposing front line of Ben and Rasheed Wallace. But he took over when needed.
That was especially true in Game 7, when he put the Spurs on his back in the second half to lead them to the le. Duncan finished with 25 points, 11 rebounds and three assists, including a cross-court find of Manu Ginobili for a game-icing 3-pointer.
I'm just wondering but its TP's 56.8 some kind of record or something? I mean thats really good
TD is a beast in the Finals. Let's look forward to 2009!!!!
Mine was a movie quote.
Duncan also at number 11 in that ranking.
+ 1
I noticed that too.
Dude, they're like prepubescent. WTF is up with that? Reminds me of South Park's Episode "Raisins"
Weirdos. Where's Chris Hansen when you need him?
answer:
well im not 18 yet sooo
Ya, saying that on the internet is all that believable.
He better not be saying that just to get the heat and Chris Hansen off his trail.
That's actually pretty funny.
I took out the photo. Scantily clad underage girls can get you into trouble. Several people PM'd/emailed me about this. I wouldn't want them to report you to anyone.well im not 18 yet sooo
-Kori
Thanks Kori. It's hard to visit this site at work sometimes. When I saw that, I had to quickly minimize my screen and actually didn't visit here the rest of the day.
I wonder how Ginobili's 2005 Finals didn't make the list. I would have bet money Hollinger would have been all over that. Perhaps his two below average games in that series messed up his PER.
I'm also surprised I'm the first one in this thread to bring up Ginobili's 2005 Finals in this thread.
I was first but did not write it down
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