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    If he's a must have, Spurs can trade up in the draft. This year and next year first rounder to move up. Would it be worth it? Thats the question.

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    http://www.realgm.com/src_fromtheraf...ush_of_kansas/

    Brandon Rush has superb lateral maneuverability in the air, which comes from great balance and body control and is unquestionably one of the more polished wing products in the draft.

    He has a great ability to acrobatically navigate into space in the air, but this almost works to his disadvantage because he doesn’t draw as many fouls as he potentially could and when he does finally initiate some contact he is prone to player control fouls.

    Expounding upon the way he can dodge defenders in the air, Rush is not very good driving up the middle to the basket; he usually takes little floaters when he’s in the very center of the paint instead of going up strongly and attacking defenders and the rim. He is much better at attacking the basket from the angles of the baseline and in transition. This is where he is able to use his in-air abilities to full advantage.

    His future in the NBA is as a slasher, wing facilitator and creating his own shot off the dribble in the mid-range because although his perimeter shot must be contested and respected, it is far too streaky to be anything more than average.

    Rush excessively misses to the left and right from the perimeter overall, suggesting flawed mechanics.

    He doesn’t consistently follow through all the way on his shot and he shoots from across his body.

    This explains why he is almost always a lights out shooter when dribbling into his jumper when going left. It really is remarkable to watch the difference between his hits going left and misses going right. Rush will even make 3-pointers going to his left when he fumbles a kick out pass.

    When Rush goes right for a jumper off the dribble, he doesn’t always square up to the basket all the way, which is the opposite of how perfect and effective he is going left.

    He should improve on the catch and shoot as he becomes more consistent in his mechanics of readying his body as the ball is on its way. He also has nice lift with the shot, but he is a very errant shooter when closely guarded and his range gets iffy not too far beyond the college arc and the NBA line will be a little far initially.

    Since you cannot expect Rush to be a great perimeter shooter, how well does he do those other things?

    He impressively keeps his feet moving to maintain good pacing and be ready to explode to the basket for a lob or to follow a missed shot.

    He has good hang time in the air and will make good eye contact with the passer to setup lobs.

    Rush moves well without the ball, coming off screens strongly and quickly, but he never had to work too hard to get the ball since Kansas has always had so many other scoring options.

    He always squares up nicely in the triple threat position upon the catch, but his use of shot fakes, ball fakes and jab steps is limited. Because of this he struggles to beat his man into the lane off the dribble. He gets to the lane most frequently following a closeout flyby by a defender on his perimeter shot and in transition.

    He has a very good handle both in the open floor and halfcourt, but it is more functional than explosive. With that said, he can alleviate more responsibility from the point guard than a typical wing.

    He will make a nice runner with the right hand going across the middle and will jump stop well, but his fadeaway is not very effective and is routinely flat and very short.

    Rush always seems like he has a very high basketball IQ and has reminded me of a classic pro player, but he is a very inconsistent passer. I always expect him to make the smart pass, but he is surprisingly awful on the post entry. He will throw it right at their feet or lob it in softly where it can get picked off.

    He is far more effective with the skip pass and kick out.

    Rush defends smaller perimeter players well with his good lateral quickness and has a good concept of team defense even though his fundamentals leave him to get turned around frequently.

    Rush should do a better job fighting through screen and closing out to the perimeter shooter, but he defends the passing lanes well and is an overall pest on-ball.

    He is good at boxing out and is really good at grabbing a rebound and bringing the ball up himself for early offense opportunities. He is really good at grabbing the ball and beginning his transition dribble in one fluid motion.

    Rush is really strong to the ball as a rebounder and should have an above average rebound rate for a wing player.

    I think Rush is in a what you see is what you get sort of situation. Given his pedigree and playing at Kansas for three years, he is a known commodity who will only marginally improve during the course of his career. He is already a very well-rounded player and should be a contributor instantaneously and for a stretch of eight years, but I don’t think the club that drafts him will be mining an All-Star hidden in there.

    His selection is one of those instances where you sacrifice a little on the down the road back end for the guarantee of getting a nice player.

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    His future in the NBA is as a slasher, wing facilitator and creating his own shot off the dribble in the mid-range because although his perimeter shot must be contested and respected, it is far too streaky to be anything more than average.
    He'll need to develop a lot, then, since his handles aren't that great, especially heading toward the basket, where he had great problems even in college. I don't think you could call him a slasher at this point at all. More likely he's a spot shooter; he'll have to develop something else.

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    http://www.realgm.com/src_fromtheraf...ush_of_kansas/


    His future in the NBA is as a slasher, wing facilitator and creating his own shot off the dribble in the mid-range because although his perimeter shot must be contested and respected, it is far too streaky to be anything more than average.
    whoever wrote that could not be more unfamiliar with rush's game.

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    Latest nbadraft.net mock draft has us taking Brandon Rush.

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    Latest nbadraft.net mock draft has us taking Brandon Rush.
    They also have CDR going ahead of him, which I don't buy.

    If he does slip past the Raptors however, I could see a scenario where the Spurs swap with Denver at #20 to draft him.

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    He's certainly shaping up to be a solid pick. NBA frame, he can shoot it, play D and drive. Monday will tell all, i'm pulling for all to stay in.

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    It does look like he won't make it past Phoenix, Raptors, or Nets.
    Cavs have a need for an SG too but i think they go big.

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    They also have CDR going ahead of him, which I don't buy.

    If he does slip past the Raptors however, I could see a scenario where the Spurs swap with Denver at #20 to draft him.
    Couldn't agree more. If he gets past PHX @ #15, that would most fortunate for the Spurs. However, they cannot realistically expect him to fall past teams like NJ @ #21, Orl @ #22 or Hou @ #25. If they really want the guy, and I believe he would fit perfectly for them, they need to do whatever is necessary to move up to get him.

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    He's certainly shaping up to be a solid pick. NBA frame, he can shoot it, play D and drive. Monday will tell all, i'm pulling for all to stay in.
    no, he can't.

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    K-State Spur,
    It seems that you have some first hand information on Rush. I'd be intereted in hearing your assessment of him. Are the rest of us overvaluing him from the scouting reports?

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    being in the state, i have probably seen him play more than most. he is probably one of the most 'NBA ready' players in the draft. but I do think some have some expectations of him that are unreasonable.

    yes, he is a good spot up shooter. he's pretty reliable out to 18 feet if you give him space.

    yes, he is a good defender - when he wants to be. he tends to lose focus on that end of the floor. of course, Pop could likely change that in a hurry. Rush did guard Durant better than anybody in NCAA last year. He never matched that performance this year, but some of that is likely attributable to recovering from a knee injury.

    no, he can't drive to the rim or create his own shot. he's a terrible ball-handler, can barely use his left hand. an uncomfortably (from my perspective as the fan of a team looking to draft him) large percentage of his points came from cherry picking beyond the 3 point line when the Jayhawks got in transition.

    I think Rush will be a rotation player in the league for a long time. It's just a question of what your expectations are. If you're expecting much more than a smaller, but more athletic, version of Luke Walton, then I think that's unreasonable.

    Personally, I think this team has enough jump-shooters and would prefer a slasher like CDR in the first round, especially if people are talking about moving up. However, if there are plans to obtain that type of player elsewhere (FA, trade), then Rush makes more sense and could come in and fill a role.

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    being in the state, i have probably seen him play more than most. he is probably one of the most 'NBA ready' players in the draft. but I do think some have some expectations of him that are unreasonable.

    yes, he is a good spot up shooter. he's pretty reliable out to 18 feet if you give him space.

    yes, he is a good defender - when he wants to be. he tends to lose focus on that end of the floor. of course, Pop could likely change that in a hurry. Rush did guard Durant better than anybody in NCAA last year. He never matched that performance this year, but some of that is likely attributable to recovering from a knee injury.

    no, he can't drive to the rim or create his own shot. he's a terrible ball-handler, can barely use his left hand. an uncomfortably (from my perspective as the fan of a team looking to draft him) large percentage of his points came from cherry picking beyond the 3 point line when the Jayhawks got in transition.

    I think Rush will be a rotation player in the league for a long time. It's just a question of what your expectations are. If you're expecting much more than a smaller, but more athletic, version of Luke Walton, then I think that's unreasonable.

    Personally, I think this team has enough jump-shooters and would prefer a slasher like CDR in the first round, especially if people are talking about moving up. However, if there are plans to obtain that type of player elsewhere (FA, trade), then Rush makes more sense and could come in and fill a role.
    Good take.

    Appreciate your insights. I wasn't aware that Rush didn't possess the ability to slash to the basket or create his own shot. You've hit on a good point. We do have enough spot-up shooters and that's including if Finley is jettisoned for next season. Come to think of it, I don't know very many FA swingmen who can drive, create and shoot it. Maggette and J.R. Smith are two that come to mind and they are long shot acquisitions at best.

    By that logic and assuming the Spurs target 2 swingmen (FA and draft), it sounds as though you're saying its important to get a good mix of skills between whatever player the Spurs draft versus whatever player they acquire via FA. They shouldn't be the same player. Another point I agree with. Perhaps a plausible draft/FA scenario would be:

    Draftee/FA acquisition:
    CDR/ Pietrus
    Rush/Smith

    It will be interesting to see which direction the Spurs go.

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    Draftee/FA acquisition:
    CDR/ Pietrus
    Rush/Smith

    It will be interesting to see which direction the Spurs go.
    Makes sense to me...which of course means that the team will go PG/Big man.

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    Brandon Rush also drew some extremely high praise, as his size, length and skill-level were mentioned as big pluses, as was the fact that he can play two positions and looks to be in terrific shape athletically. He played strong defense, shot the ball well from outside, and even showed some nice craftiness with a few hook shots inside. Most executives we spoke with have Rush going either at 15 (Phoenix) or 17 (Toronto) in their personal mock drafts, but there is a chance that a team like Seattle or Cleveland for example could jump up ahead of them and take him at 13th if they can strike a deal with Portland (whose pick is clearly on the block).

    http://www.draftexpress.com/blog/Jonathan-Givony/
    I assume it's safe to say it's impossible Rush will drop to 26.

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    trade Splitter to Portland for the 13 pick and take Rush!!!

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    trade Splitter to Portland for the 13 pick and take Rush!!!
    If we get to trade that far up, we need to think about more than just Rush...

    Joe Alexander comes to mind.

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    It's starting to look more and more that Rush will be snapped up by the Suns. Read on:

    http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_ar..._for_the_suns/

    Brandon Rush The Man For The Suns?

    According to the Arizona Republic, Kansas guard Brandon Rush enhanced his stock during a 24 player workout in Oakland over the weekend, showing off his shooting and defense that comes with a long 6-foot-6 frame.

    Rider power forward Jason Thompson, Florida power forward Marreese Speights, and French swingman Nicolas Batum are also possibilities for the Suns, who will pick at 15.

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    it's typical for the suns to take Rush in the 15 pick even tho it's too high for him just in order to hurt the spurs

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    Rush has the same low scoring issues as Weaver. Because he’s a player on a team full of scorers, I tend to give him somewhat of a break here. But the fact remains that very few SGs with a P40 below 20 ever amount to anything beyond a marginal player. Rush has been a mainstay in the Jayhawk lineup for 3 seasons now. A look at his career suggests there are more problems here than simply a weak scorer.

    He doesn’t score with nearly enough efficiency to be considered much of a prospect. Rush’s shooting percentages have declined all 3 seasons. He wasn’t an efficient scorer to begin with and his 2-point pct. is dangerously low. Of all the SG prospects this year, only Chris Lofton and Alex Harris were lower. This is something that could be forgiven if he were a freshman or if this were a one season aberration, but he’s been an inefficient scorer for all three seasons of his college career now and his numbers are declining. The first thing to look at with SGs is whether they can score both often and efficiently. Rush has done neither in any of his 3 seasons. He is a good defender and it’s not hard to see him succeeded as a gunner/defender in the NBA. But his prospect numbers are truly bad. If he hadn’t played on the national stage, I doubt his name would even be mentioned as a serious prospect.

    http://hoopsanalyst.com/0708ew15.htm
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    Mario Chalmers (5.1)
    Chris Douglas-Roberts (4.4)
    Brandon Rush (2.2)

    http://www.draftexpress.com/article/...-Preview-2932/
    A lot of the stat junkies are bashing Rush as a prospect. If you take a look at his stats, they do look pretty damn weak for a shooting guard who will be drafted in the teens. If you watch him play, he looks like a pretty good prospect. He's also working out well according to all reports. It'll interesting to see if his weak college stats are an indicator of anything negative or if he was just a guy who didn't feel like he needed to dominate on a good team.

    Add together the fact that he has a blown ACL and that his name got artificially hyped by the national championship and his two NBA brothers ... and he suddenly doesn't look like the great pick Spurs fans should be praying for.

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    Small forward is still a key position throughout the league, as evidence of Alexander and now Rush rocketing up the boards. Each has moved up 20 spots, depending on your original placement, in te last two months (Rush was considered by some to be a 2nd rounder). Once again the Spurs will be on the outside.

    That said, I do think Rush is pretty overrated at this point. He's skilled, has good athleticism and at ude, plus now has the championship shine, but to me seems very limited. I wouldn't mind the pick, but trading up to get him would be too much, as I think he's fairly tapped out at this point and there's not much beyond what he has now that he'll show.

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    A lot of the stat junkies are bashing Rush as a prospect. If you take a look at his stats, they do look pretty damn weak for a shooting guard who will be drafted in the teens. If you watch him play, he looks like a pretty good prospect. He's also working out well according to all reports. It'll interesting to see if his weak college stats are an indicator of anything negative or if he was just a guy who didn't feel like he needed to dominate on a good team.

    Add together the fact that he has a blown ACL and that his name got artificially hyped by the national championship and his two NBA brothers ... and he suddenly doesn't look like the great pick Spurs fans should be praying for.
    Watching him play, A LOT of his points came from cherry picking on 3 pointers in transition.

    From an offensive perspective, you're drafting him based on his athletic potential, because his current skills don't translate to the league overly well.

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    All these new-found warts may be true. But considering where the Spurs are currently positioned in the draft and if somehow Rush fell to the Spurs, is there another shooting guard you'd rather have?

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    All these new-found warts may be true. But considering where the Spurs are currently positioned in the draft and if somehow Rush fell to the Spurs, is there another shooting guard you'd rather have?
    I prefer CDR & Lee. If his knees hold up (which is a concern for BR as well), I could easily see Walker being a superior player 3 years from now.

    It should be noted that Rush is further along defensively than these guys, which makes him more likely to crack Pop's rotation earlier.

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