Jordan was way, way more consistent. He didnt have a 35pt. game followed by a flameout. He was always pretty consistent. Also, I dont think he ever allowed his team to blow a 24pt. lead in the playoffs..... !!! In a game period.
Kobe is good I know, but he dayum sure in NOT a Jordan.
Last edited by lebomb; 06-13-2008 at 08:01 AM.
Umm, it has been clear all along, i was the first to bring this up to the lakers fans that there's no point comparing them both, and there's still no point comparing em both. People should stop putting down kobe by using jordan, because it's obviously lame.
I even know a die-hard Laker fan who LOVES Kobe, and has a disdain for Jordan, and he admitted that there is no way in that Jordan lets what happened last night, happen.
I've been saying this for a while now, and I think it is very evident. Kobe does not know when to, and when not to take over games. For instance, last night, he took over WAY too late. The bleeding had already gone too far, Boston caught fire, and he was unable to get into a rhythm when he wanted to. People can bag on Jordan for being a as a leader, but he is a that sure did know how to take over games. Another thing, even when Jordan lost, you could say that he did everything he possibly could do in his power to win the game. He would take over when needed, get his teammates involved, whatever. He ALWAYS gave it his all. Kobe clearly did not give it everything he had last night, nor has he throughout the series.
damn forgot about that
So in that case is Lebron > Kobe as well???
ive said that i would rather have Lebron>Kobe.
Lebron seems more like a natural born leader.
he gets all his teammates involved.
and he can take over a game at will.
All part of Kobe's plan to go down 3-1 in the Finals just like spotting the Spurs a 20 point lead in game 1 of the WCF. It will be the greatest series comeback in NBA Finals history.
Buwahahahahahahahahahaha!
I just want the Lakers to win Game 5, don't let those Beantown s celebrate on our home floor. If we push the series to 6 games I can live with that.
The championship run starts next season. Give me a healthy Bynum and another year of experience with this core and I don't see any team knocking us out. This will be a repeat of what happened in the 80's, BOS wins in '84 and the Lakers strike back in '85 and go on to dominate the 80's.
But how much of it was Jordan and how much of it was the frigging refs giving every call to Jordan. Every shot touch foul going to the line, every bump a foul against the other player, and every single non call with Jordan taking it to the rack. This ref things makes you question everything you ever watched in the NBA.
The Hawks also took the Celtics to 7 games but was destroyed in game 7.
Hawks > Lakers?
It's all about matchups. Both the Cavs and the Hawks have very physical front lines that gave the Celtics all kinds of trouble.
This isn't fan talk when your team is still in the finals. I know if my team was playing i'd be mad, but, i'd still believe.
Oh, it was clear a long time ago that Jordan is better than kobe. VERY CLEAR
---------Jordan
-----------Kobe
Don't give a rats ass to newbies who were 5 years old when MJ last won an NBA le in 1998. Now that they are 15, they have only seen the likes of Kobe,Lebron,Vince Carter or TMac.
And they watched Kobe score 81... and watched Kobe go for 40plus in 5 games straight!!! Now they check MJ's stats and see no 80 points scored.
Kobe is good. But MJ is way out of his league.
Of course you want to believe, but you have to be realistic as well. The defense just isn't there for the Lakers this year.
True, but MJ averaged 37pts a game one season and had a of alot of 40pt, 50pt and 60pt games.And they watched Kobe score 81... and watched Kobe go for 40plus in 5 games straight!!! Now they check MJ's stats and see no 80 points scored.
As a rookie Jordan averaged 28pts a game and had several 40pt games.
MJ averaged 33pts a game for his career in the playoffs.
Man, its not even close IMHO. MJ did his thing over an entire career.....Kobe cant even keep it up in one playoff series.
Jordan > Kobe
Kobe> The NBA today.
Now this I fully agree with.
It has always been painfully clear.
Like I've said all along, Kobe has the sheer talent to be in that type of discussion, but IMO he has screwed the pooch when he had the opportunity to be the 1st option on a Finals team:
- 2004 vs Pistons, took too many shots, shot 37% or some such and got crushed
- The current struggle on both offense and defense, culminating in last night's choke job
Jordan almost always peaked in the NBA Finals, but Kobe has struggled in the biggest stage of them all. His legacy is still a that of a great talent who was second banana on 3 le teams (thanks to the choking Blazers in 2000 and some horrible officiating in 2002). Unless he pulls off something special in the next 3 games, his Finals record looks very unflattering indeed.
After seeing what the Celts have done last round and so far in these finals, those series against the Hawks/Cavs were the best thing that could have happened to them. They easily should have dispatched both teams in 5-6 games tops but who knows what that would of done to this team. Both of those rounds going 7 games got this team ready for the Pistons and so far these Lakers.
You are comparing Apples to Oranges, the Bulls were a powerhouse team all the way around, the Lakers surrounding Kobe couldn't wear those bulls jockstrap.
People forget that even Jordan had Final's performances where he shot just as horribly. In 1996 I remember he threw up some real stinkers (5-19, 9-22, 6-19). Winning at the highest level is a team effort.
The Lakers are not losing this series because Kobe isn't shooting well. They are losing because of their defense. If Kobe can't win a ring when Bynum returns then I think we can sufficiently say the man is not capable of leading a team to the promise land. Right now there are too many deficiencies in this current Laker squad to place the blame solely on his shoulders.
great point
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