If we wanted a Mutombo-type, I'd go for Mourning. Houston I think wants to hang onto Sex Mutombo.
so if we did the scenario that Bruno stated....who do we go after at 18......I am thinking Brandon Rush. However, if Donte Green is somehow still on the board, I can see the Spurs possibly going for Green. Then at 57 we draft Brumbaugh.
That would give us 3 young wing players all at 6'9".....we would definitely cause matchup problems for other teams with those 3 players.
That's a pretty good idea -- however it depends on what both teams think of McGuire and Pecherov. The Wizards would need to want to dump them and the Spurs would actually have to want each player. The Wizards dumping that pair isn't too unlikely, although Pecherov is said to have some potential. McGuire is pretty redundant for their team.
But considering the Spurs have only four likely open roster spots, filling two with that pair and one with the draft pick, they'd have only one more roster spot after that trade. With two more draft picks, the MLE and the LLE, I'm not sure if the Spurs can waste three roster spots on one trade. The Spurs could opt to just waive McGuire and Pecherov but then they'd basically be paying $3M to move up eight spots ... which is a lot considering the going rate for a mid to late first round pick is $3M.
But yeah, that could definitely be a trade that is thought about. Also remember last year the Spurs had a deal to get Washington's first round pick (it was overall 16th pick) and they were going to use it to draft Daequan Cook. However that deal fell apart when Nick Young fell to 16. With the team needing to re-sign both Arenas and Jamison, I could see them wanting to lower payroll and the Spurs can help them do that.
Bruno, I do have a question regarding the trade exception. Do the players who are coming back have to fit within the exact amount of the trade exception or is there that 25% + $100K flexibility? If there is flexibility, the Spurs trade exception could actually be used to take back closer to $2.4M ... which would open up a whole new world of possibilities.
I believe a non-simultaneous trade can at most be for the amount of the exception +$100,000.
Yeah, you're right. Found it in the CBA.
One player who I think is available who would be perfect as a backup point guard is Jarrett Jack. The Blazers don't really want or need him anymore, especially with Rudy Fernandez coming on board. He has a salary of $2M ... which is just a little bit more than the TE the Spurs have.
Spurs have tried to trade for Jack before. You could play him behind Parker and he's also strong enough to play some minutes at shooting guard. I don't see an easy way to get him though without using the TE.
Agree especially on how Wizards value them. This fictional trade is quite similar to "The Trade"
McGuire + Pecherov = Butler
Trading up from 26th to 18th = The Nameless One.
TE = Spanoulis
Wizards are in Luxury tax trouble like Spurs last year. Words are that they aren't really interested in their 18th pick like Spurs weren't really interested in The Nameless One. If they consider McGuire and Pecherov as low as Spurs considered Butler..
Pecherov and McGuire salaries are $2.2M.
26th + $2.2M in cash for 26th is a quite fair trade.
AFAIK, only very late first round picks have been traded only for cash.
Players for a TE is more interesting for both teams than cash because it lowers Wizards payroll and Spurs could like the players they get or trade them later.
So Wizards receive $2.2 mil in payroll reduction, plus up to an additional $2.2 mil in luxury tax liability reduction, and perhaps another $2 mil in cash. Also, swapping 1st round picks would be worth about $330K in payroll reduction and the same in lux tax liability reduction. All told such a trade could be worth roughly $7 mil to the Wizards for the 2008-09 season.
The reason I think the Spurs would go for something like this is that they wouldn't have much of a long-term commitment to McGuire and Pecherov. In fact it could end by the end of next season.
If the Spurs got a swingman prospect who was ready for the rotation at #18, they could target someone with their MLE, say Najera, Barnes, or Posey. If they went after Najera, for example, then they could deal Bonner down the line. I think they could pull off a S&T for Barnes using Bonner plus some kind of sweetener.
If they were in a gambling mood, maybe they get the Wiz's #18 and send it plus Bonner to someone for a young point guard they like (Cook or Jack). Then use the MLE to go after a JR Smith. Use the LLE for a shooting bigman like Pat Garrity.
Last edited by Holt's Cat; 06-15-2008 at 05:15 PM. Reason: Just checked Mo Williams' contract
Balkman has zero potential. I watched the guy at South Carolina.
It's been a total shock to me people value him at all. Even fans have told me the guy has the basketball IQ of a 12 year old. Come on.
So... Laker fans?
Can the Spurs take back $2.2M in salary with their trade exception? I thought the one they had topped out at about $1.9M.
True but I thought you had actual cash as part of the deal.
Marco Belinelli, Golden State Warriors
Belinelli was a bust as a rookie and to top it off, he refused to go to D-League. He can shoot and score but other than that, he does nothing on the basketball court. I don't think the Spurs would be too interested, then again he's a foreign prospect so you never know.
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Belinelli sucks.
They might be able to use the Beno trade exception to acquire Pecherov and then use either the Scola or Thomas trade exceptions to acquire McGuire.
Yes, Jack would be ideal. A home run behind Parker, but the Blazers are trying to use him as key piece in a larger package---last year he was a major piece in their attempt to get Devin Harris. I don't see many assets that could be moved to put Jack in a Spurs uniform.
If McGuide is signed to a minimum player contract, I don't believe the Spurs would have to use any of their trade exceptions to trade for him.
So perhaps what would happen is that the Spurs trade their #26 for Pecherov and the #18 using the Beno trade exception and then trade a conditional second rounder for McGuire using the minimum player exception.
Actually, I don't believe it would need to be broken out that way. If McGuire is on a minimum contract then basically he would be ignored.
McGuire's salary for 2008-09 (team option) should be $442,114.
Bruno's idea isn't bad, but I'm not use if it's worth two dead weight roster spots. Rather than trading for those two, I'd rather the cap flexibility to mine the D-League for talent and commit a player to Austin, much like Ian Mahinmi.
I'm comfortable with what the Spurs can get at #26. If they move in the draft, I'd prefer they take a long shot and attempt to simply buy a higher pick and/or pick up another selection at the top of the 2nd. I'm curious to see who pulls out tomorrow, but right now this is actually a fairly deep draft class. If Walker or Batum pull their names from the board, then maybe trading up is more of a necessity.
Assuming they can't move Bonner and don't buy out Vaughn, I'd like to see 2 FAs and 2 rookies in their 4 open roster spots. In other words, something like Bill Walker, Mike Taylor, Kelenna Azubuike and Adonal Foyle. Let Barry play behind Parker.
Moving Bonner or buying out Vaughn would give us better flexibility, though.
Pop's not going to be all that jazzed about a player who refuses to go to the d-league. Where do you think the Spurs would want him to go?
Good points, I think you're right. Although McGuire has a team option, perhaps part of it is guaranteed ... which is why the Wizards in theory would want to trade him instead of just not picking up the option.
Bruce Bowen's house for the summer. Get him a how to guide on defense, then, to Tony's for dribble penetration 101.
$2.2M is their 2008-2009 salaries. For 2007-2008, their salaries is around $1.8M. So if you do the trade before July, you can do Pecherov + McGuire for the Beno TE.
McGuire seems to have signed a three years contract with two year guaranteed. Unlike most of the players paid the min, you need a TE to get him because wizards used the MLE to offer him a 3 years contract.
this is a question ive been too lazy to look up on my own for a while now: when figuring any draft day trade, is it the '07-'08 salaries that come into play, or are we already dealing in '08-'09 salaries? id assumed that it was the prior salaries, and your post seems to back that up. do you happen to know where in the cba this bit of info would be located?
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