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the guy wanted to die. het got exactly what he wanted.
Agreed.
I read it like after the old couple showed up some other folks happened on the scene, if none of them did anything that's pretty bush league, but about what I'd expect out of the leftist pussies in California. He pushed them off? WTF? Bum rush his ass, all someone had to do was distract him long enough for someone else to grab the child and get him/her the out of there."What we got from witnesses is he was punching, slapping, kicking, stomping, shaking," Singh said. "They tried to intervene and get involved, but their efforts really didn't have an effect. The suspect was engaged in what he was doing. He just pushed them off and went back to it."
That's some weak ass , California. He would have taken two shots center mass here in Texas.
the guy wanted to die. het got exactly what he wanted.
Yet I still care not. What he did deserves torture (real torture, not solitary with some nice meals sprinkled in), instant death is the next best alternative. That's what he got. Good.
Government needs to build a giant arena to put all these criminals in so that they can fight it out and kill eachother. Better yet, create a league, have drafts, and put it on a cable network, and make sure Charles, Kenny, and E.J. do the Half-Time show.
Also, make Rick Bucher the guy who does interviews at half-time.
Yes, let's bring back the Roman circus! Lions and everything.
that low life piece of . I'd of taken my crowbar to him if I saw that. Glad he's dead, but I'd of rather seen him going to prison getting beaten and raped for life.
I can't believe people let the kid die.
What kind an idiot would do such a thing especially to a child?....
You're right. It's completely wrong and unfair.
nausea...
wish i would have caught him, no mercy
More info:
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Minutes of horror as Turlock father beats, kills his son
By Julia Prodis Sulek and Ken McLaughlin
Mercury News
Article Launched: 06/16/2008 07:43:19 PM PDT
Six-and-a-half minutes.
Six-and-a-half minutes for two men to try to stop a father from beating "the demons" out of his two-year-old son in the middle of a dark country road. Six-and-a-half minutes for a young woman to crouch in her car and watch in helpless shock. Six-and-a-half minutes for a police officer to land in a helicopter, run across a cow pasture, and shoot the man squarely in the forehead.
Six-and-a-half minutes of horror.
"It seemed like forever," said Lisa Mota, 23, who was driving to her parents' house when she came upon the scene after 10 p.m. Saturday. "I need to get this out of my head and I don't think it will be for the rest of my life."
On Monday, all that's left of the violence is blood seeping into the cracks of West Bradbury Road, just outside the Central Valley town of Turlock. Parents and children came and went all day placing ceramic angels and stuffed animals along the barbed wire fence. One white teddy bear held a heart that said, "Besos y Abrazos." It means kisses and hugs.
"The terrible man got to die in an instant, but his baby had to suffer endlessly," said Joel Arana, 36, a father of a toddler who stopped by to pay his respects. "It's not right. But God will take care of it."
The man has been identified by police as Sergio Casian Aguilar, 27. He and his wife had been separated. In an interview with detectives Monday, Frances Liliana Casian said she didn't know why Aguilar would do such a thing.
He had no police record and she didn't know of any mental illness, said Deputy Royjindar Singh, a spokesman for the Stanislaus County Sheriff's Department. A toxicology test for drugs and alcohol is under way.
As news of the roadside beating spread across the country, letters of support and thanks poured in for the pilot who landed the helicopter in the dark cow pasture and the Modesto police officer who shot Aguilar.
"That baby needed help and I knew we had to do something," the pilot, Sheriff's Deputy Rob Latapie said in a statement.
"I have never seen anything like that before and I hope I never have to again," said Officer Jerry Ramar, who fired the fatal shot.
Three cars stopped on the darkened lane that night. Three 911 calls were placed. And two men who happened upon this scene defied their fears of what this man was capable of, what weapons he might have, and tried to save a child.
It wasn't enough.
Dan Robinson, chief of the Crows Landing volunteer fire department, was driving home Saturday night with his wife and two grown children when their headlights shined on a man standing behind a parked pickup truck, which was in the next lane, facing oncoming traffic. At first, they thought maybe it was a hunter with a dead animal.
"As they slowed down, someone noticed it was an infant," Singh said. "He stopped, backed up and the dad got out."
It's unclear when the beating began, but the first 911 call came at just after 10:13 p.m. It was from someone named Mike, who may be Robinson's son, Singh said. He gave just a brief description before the cell phone went dead.
By then, Robinson had confronted Aguilar and "was trying to get him to stop, trying to pull him off, or away from the baby," Singh said. "The suspect just pushed him away and continued doing what he was doing."
A minute later, at 10:14 p.m., a pickup truck with three people in their 20s pulled up, facing Aguilar's truck. One of them called 911. A young man, who Singh hasn't identified, jumped out and ran to help Robinson.
"It was the shock of seeing what was going on, seeing this person with hands bloodied," said Singh, who was on the scene as the witnesses were interviewed. "At first they weren't sure how to react. You walk upon that scene and you see it and it's like, 'What are you doing?' It's like, "What the heck are you doing?' "
The two men wrestled with Aguilar, trying to get him to stop, trying to pull him away from the baby. But Aguilar, with the child in his arm, kept attacking the toddler, "punching, slapping, shaking," Singh said.
Robinson told reporters that "there was a total hollowness in his eyes," and Aguilar said he was beating "the demons" out of the boy.
At 10:17, Mike called 911 again.
At 10:19, the sheriff's helicopter that had been patrolling the area shined its spotlight on the scene, then landed in the cow pasture.
Officer Ramar jumped out, Singh said, and ran about 30 yards to the electrified fence that keeps the cows in and ordered the man to stop. By this time, Aguilar had the child on the ground and was stomping on him.
"Put your hands up. Step away from the baby," Ramar called out, according to Singh.
Instead, Singh said, Aguilar raised his middle finger and began to kick the toddler lying on the roadway.
At 10:20, Ramar aimed his gun and fired. Aguilar died at the scene. Two deputies rushed to the child and performed CPR, but the boy remained limp. He was pronounced dead at the local hospital.
At 10:30, Singh arrived. The night was cool and clear. The only lights came from the headlights of the cars that had stopped to help and the flashing reds and blues of police vehicles. It was still so dark, Singh couldn't even see the helicopter in the pasture.
But he saw the deputies who tried to revive the child, the police officer who shot the man, and the witnesses who tried to help. They all were consoling each other, he said.
"I know how they were feeling," he said. "It's like you wish you could have done more."
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_9606469
I hope the devil is shoving a big pineapple up in that son of a 's ass right now!
good.
Cowards.Dan Robinson, chief of the Crows Landing volunteer fire department, was driving home Saturday night with his wife and two grown children when their headlights shined on a man standing behind a parked pickup truck, which was in the next lane, facing oncoming traffic. At first, they thought maybe it was a hunter with a dead animal.
"As they slowed down, someone noticed it was an infant," Singh said. "He stopped, backed up and the dad got out."
It's unclear when the beating began, but the first 911 call came at just after 10:13 p.m. It was from someone named Mike, who may be Robinson's son, Singh said. He gave just a brief description before the cell phone went dead.
By then, Robinson had confronted Aguilar and "was trying to get him to stop, trying to pull him off, or away from the baby," Singh said. "The suspect just pushed him away and continued doing what he was doing."
A minute later, at 10:14 p.m., a pickup truck with three people in their 20s pulled up, facing Aguilar's truck. One of them called 911. A young man, who Singh hasn't identified, jumped out and ran to help Robinson.
"It was the shock of seeing what was going on, seeing this person with hands bloodied," said Singh, who was on the scene as the witnesses were interviewed. "At first they weren't sure how to react. You walk upon that scene and you see it and it's like, 'What are you doing?' It's like, "What the heck are you doing?' "
The two men wrestled with Aguilar, trying to get him to stop, trying to pull him away from the baby. But Aguilar, with the child in his arm, kept attacking the toddler, "punching, slapping, shaking," Singh said.
You're the kind of loyal American we like.
You might be interested to know an experiment we ran Monday morning. We placed the suspect's head in a vise and compressed it just enough until his eyes popped out. At that point, all his teeth were crushed, and his jaw has been pushed up into his skull just enough that it locks in place. We then released him to his cell.
The suspect has been offered some nutritive liquids through a straw, but he refuses. My theory is that the pain is so bad he just wants to die of thirst. We may force some liquids down his throat to make him suffer longer.
This is the kind of punishment we propose for animals like that man.
I rather like this kind of punishment for the truly vile and heinous.
The correct answer would be vengeance is the Lord's, not yours, and that such practices dehumanize the people who do them.
If you really want to be fair and equitable about who deserves torture, God certainly can just add up the totality of your transgressions and deal with you accordingly.
This creep was killed in order to make him stop beating the child, not to exact vengeance.
You're absolutely right -- we should make an effort to balance justice with mercy.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that the state ought not to exact punishment (or vengeance -- are they even distinct?) in the case of heinous crimes. That might lead to a real "dovishness" when it comes to dealing with crime & punishment. Does God truly want us to look the other way, or forgive violent offenders, when things like this are happening?
On the other hand, I'm sure he doesn't want a system like we see in Islam either, which is very retributive.
damn...
r.i.p. little one.
Since my point was not that justice should be balanced with mercy, and I never claimed that the state should refrain from exacting punishment, I won't attempt to defend the strawman you built.
No, I'm not attempting to strawmen your position. I'm trying to legitimately grapple with the twin concerns for justice and mercy. On the one hand, we need a certain measure of mercy in our system that recognizes the ability to grow morally, to genuinely repent, to atone for past transgressions. On the other, the state (and the church!) ought not merely look the other way when bad things happen. I'm more than open to the death penalty, but I'm not dogmatic either way regarding it.
What is your position?
Wow, this got deep.
We're all going to have differences on the appropriate punishment. The bigger problem I have is with a bunch of pussy ass Californians standing there and not doing about it.
You've got a group of at least 4 people and they stand and watch an infant get beat to death because 'they tried to pull the guy off the kid, but he pushed them off.'
Take his ass to the ground, start beating his ass, occupy him long enough for someone to pull the toddler away, etc.
Typical sorry ass left coast pacifistic pussies.
I can't help it.
I'm all for punishing the crap out of these villains, but I do advocate a certain measure of mercy as well. It is more humane, and biblical, that way. As for exactly how to do this, I'm all ears.
And AHF, did you hook up with that broad?
Pragmatically, capital punishment in this country makes little sense. In order to maintain a frequency of false conviction low enough that society will accept it, we keep an appeals process which incurs legal fees that exceed the cost of lifetime imprisonment. The duration between conviction and execution usually is so long that the deterrence of shortened lifespan to a criminal is discounted to nil. So it costs us more money and prevents zero additional crimes. The reason we keep it around, I think, is because citizens either are ignorant of those facts, or are more satisfied with the vengeance exacted in killing a murderer.
Now it is true that legal costs could be greatly reduced if we greatly streamlined the appeals process, to the point that society could save money through the execution of criminals. However, the trade-off would be that the state would kill many more innocent people, a consequence I do not find morally tenable.
The theology behind my position centers around the value of human life and the at ude of society towards it. To a Christian, human life is quadruply precious, since humans are given life from God, since humans are made in the image of God, since God in Jesus Christ was made into human likeness, and since Jesus Christ submitted to death in order to save human beings. The taking of human life therefore is a terrible tragedy, a miscarriage of the intent in creation, and a residue of the effects of the Fall. As this informs my ideology, I then hold that the state through its jurisprudence likewise should hold a high view of human life, evensofar as not to exact vengeance through killing except when in and of itself it is necessary to protect other human life. The narrative underlying this thread gives an example of this, although tragically the infant already had been murdered.
The state is granted civil authority to punish transgressions against civil law. It is just that if a person fails to abide by the laws of his society, that he therefore lose the privileges within that society as well, including his individual freedom. The state holds up its responsibility to its citizens by removing from among them those who pose a violent danger to it. But when the state holds that certain crimes are heinous enough to warrant execution as a matter of vengeance, it then holds up Law as a higher ideal than the human life Law is ostensibly intended to protect. Incarceration, isolation, and hard labor as punishment do not equal the taking of life by the criminal, but under the ideal state, that is not the point anyway.
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