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I agree, they all should lay down and play dead.
I honestly don't understand how NO ONE in the Lakers organization from Phil to Sasha has been fined yet by the league for their comments. Especially considering all that is going on with the referee scandal, all these postgame comments by the Lakers after losses about the refs and bad foul calling during games is starting to get very annoying. Even bench scrubs like Sasha feel they can complain about it!
I agree, they all should lay down and play dead.
Manu's inconsistency was the result of him having to rely almost solely on his jumpshot.
At no point in these playoffs - not even during his good games - did he display his burst to the rim that we have become accustomed to.
Sasha looked really good when allowing Ray Allen to "breeze" by him from the top of the key to the cup. Great defense!
It's not making any excuses to say that the Lakers were the better team in that series, but not because Sasha/Vlade played lockdown defense on Manu.
Manu was hurt. He played inconsistently game to game. What Manu didn't do was because of what Manu couldn't do, not because of The Machine.
A healthy Manu may have changed the outcome of the series. Maybe not. Doesn't matter. Gotta play with what you have, and the Lakers had more that series. Case closed. See you next season.
I refuse to make excuses about losing to Manu not being healthy, just like I refuse to credit the Lakers series win to some Euro-scrub named Sasha shutting him down.
What makes you think Lakers fan can read ? Just kidding. In all seriousness, they've been understandably quiet and pretty non-existent in this forum except for the ones that really love this site.
Its probably quiet in Lakersground.net too.
No doubt that Manu will have the last laugh over Sasha next year.
Yeah a healthy 20 point a game Ginobili wouldn't have changed things at all.
20+ points came mostly off of flat-footed three balls. he had no lift or explosiveness for 5 straight games. how did you miss that?
if our staff woulda done something about a solid backup point to help parker(wait we had beno,but let him go then parker got hurt and we got mighty mouse)..manu wouldnt have had to play point so much and get some more rest....he carried this team thru the season, and we came only 2 or 3 games away from playing the nuggets,jazz(who knows how la would done against the suns and NO)....a healthy manu and we would still be playing.......sasha, what a joke getting undressed by an old ray allen....go spurs go
I'm not sure if you could be more stupid. What the Spurs might have had is irrelevant. What they had was on the floor and it was good enough to win one game.
Only because his 3 pointer went down and that was on a night where the ankle felt OK.
Im sorry if your so dense that you can't see that Ginobili was hurt and wasn't full speed, AND that wouldn't have helped.
Yeah he made Ray look 10 years younger. Did you see him after the play? He looked like he was going to start crying on the bench!
he was successful because manu was not 100% and manu needs 2 days rest between gaems not 1 and 1/2
He did what he could do and it wasn't good enough. What his teammates did wasn't good enough. What he could have done had he been healthy is irrelevant because it doesn't change what actually happened. That you think the argument is about whether or not I think the Spurs would have won if Ginobili had been 100 percent is what makes you stupid. I simply won't get drawn into that debate, particularly when the Lakers had a guy who might have been averaging 20 and 10 by the playoffs if he hadn't gotten injured starting alongside Gasol and Odom.
Only because his 3 pointer went down and that was on a night where the ankle felt OK.
Im sorry if your so dense that you can't see that Ginobili was hurt and wasn't full speed, AND that wouldn't have helped.
There isn't anything stupid about speculating in a forum. WTF else are we supposed to do ? Obstructed common sense. Manu is A DIFFERENCE MAKER.
The Lakers suck. Pau Gasol is weak and soft and Lamar Odom plays when he wants to. High or not.
ah yes bynum. the guy that was good for a whole month.
comparing this guy's impact to ginobili's prospetive impact = the fails imo
Then simply don't get drawn into the debate. Just sit out. Either way, it's better than coming into "the debate" and making a completely irrelevant argument. The whole point of what people in here (myself included) are "debating" is whether or not a healthy Manu would've made a difference, and how much that difference would've been. This is the question put forth by both legitimate Lakers and Spurs fans, and the trolls.
It's not really a debate. It's more of a statement of facts. If you think it's dumb, then don't participate. But don't come into the debate only to declare the debate itself "irrelevant," and pawn that off as your "arguments" in the discussion. You could go into any discussion and declare it "irrelevant" but that defeats the purpose of discussion itself. Do you understand? The only relevant question of this particular debate is: "Had Manu been 100% (or at least "not injured"), what difference would it have made?"
That's the question. It's foolish to come into the debate and put forth argument after argument about how the debate itself is worthless. If it's stupid and irrelevant to you, then don't participate in the discussion! Start another debate/discussion of why it's irrelevant. Do whatever. Keep participating. It doesn't really matter I guess. (And yes, I've wasted a lot of posts and words arguing with trolls and ignorant people -- not you -- but there's nothing I can do about that now.)
Oh and if Bynum didn't get injured, it's highly likely the Lakers don't end up getting Gasol. If they don't get Gasol, they don't make it out of the 1st round. It's more than likely it's an either/or as far as this season is concerned: a healthy Bynum, or Gasol.
Last edited by mikekim; 06-14-2008 at 04:55 AM.
There are a thousand ifs and buts that might have turned the series for the Spurs. Since you can't snap your fingers and make anyone healthy, it would, at the very least, be more sensible to focus on the things the Spurs actually had within their power to control, like playing 48 minutes on both ends, taking smart shots (or hitting open ones), Not leaving people wide ing open, securing rebounds or finishing quarters. I guess if you guys can take satisfaction in having an excuse for the great defense Vujacic played against Manu, and that somehow makes you content, then power to you.
manu probably would have broken sashas ankles, literally!!
I hope this continues into next season.
We get it. It would be OK, if injured Manu was contained by big, black, athletic, muscle package, you just can't stand that little, white, skinny dude was able to do it.
I hope this continues into next season.
It's oke, Sasha is to Spurs fans what Bruce Bowen is to Ray Allen.
No that's not it. I don't really care that Sasha helped pester an injured Manu, whether he was deserving of defensive praise or not. We'll see this coming season if he can defend a healthy Manu. Big deal.We get it. It would be OK, if injured Manu was contained by big, black, athletic, muscle package, you just can't stand that little, white, skinny dude was able to do it.
Anyway...
look at the way he bounces.
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