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    Space is friggin big. And the universe is really old. Given the odds of life originating through random chance to begin with (rather long), what are the odds of it happening twice, almost next to each other in the universe, at almost the same blip in cosmic time? And if it were to happen ... what are the odds of both civilizations being friendly? Much more likely that one would vaporize the other.

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    Space is friggin big. And the universe is really old. Given the odds of life originating through random chance to begin with (rather long), what are the odds of it happening twice, almost next to each other in the universe, at almost the same blip in cosmic time? And if it were to happen ... what are the odds of both civilizations being friendly? Much more likely that one would vaporize the other.

    I thought our universe was young compared to other universes?

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    Other universes -- purely theoretical. We don't know if they exist, there doesn't seem to be much evidence for them. If there is, I'm not sure how we'd ever know it. For now, these other universes exist only in the world of theoretical physics and math.

    Point is, the universe that we ARE in, and these other planets ARE in, is really big and really old. Not infinitely big and old, but pretty stinking big and old (like your mother).

    And the odds against us finding, making contact with, and actually meeting with other civilizations are so astronomically small as to be 0. If we find something like a virus in outer space, I think we should be thrilled and call it a day.

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    I'm confident there is life out there somewhere.

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    Ladies and gentlemen! We have a time and space traveler amongst us! Give it up for JoeBurrito -- a man who has crossed both thresholds and returned alive. He has told us that, based on his travels, that he is confident that there is life out there.

    Do tell, Mr. Burrito -- why such confidence? And if there truly IS more life out there, how will we ever know about it?

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    Other universes -- purely theoretical. We don't know if they exist, there doesn't seem to be much evidence for them. If there is, I'm not sure how we'd ever know it. For now, these other universes exist only in the world of theoretical physics and math.

    Point is, the universe that we ARE in, and these other planets ARE in, is really big and really old. Not infinitely big and old, but pretty stinking big and old (like your mother).

    And the odds against us finding, making contact with, and actually meeting with other civilizations are so astronomically small as to be 0. If we find something like a virus in outer space, I think we should be thrilled and call it a day.
    do we have to find and make contact with them for it to count? Pretty sure ufo's have been "finding" earth for decades now. maybe one day they'll stick around long enough to actually make contact, but yeah... pretty sure they'll come here before we go there ...if anything at all

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    who would be able to tell. aren't they all required to have been created in God's image?

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    Maybe -- the evidence for aliens visiting us is pretty scant. I know there's stories and some unexplained phenomena, but it would be fallacious to conclude that aliens have necessarily landed, based on these few reports.

    And, they still face the same obstacles seeing and finding us, as we do them. And, who says they're friendly?

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    thispego is a nerd

    on the moon nerds have their pants pulled down and are spanked with moon rocks

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    Maybe -- the evidence for aliens visiting us is pretty scant. I know there's stories and some unexplained phenomena, but it would be fallacious to conclude that aliens have necessarily landed, based on these few reports.

    And, they still face the same obstacles seeing and finding us, as we do them. And, who says they're friendly?
    if they are already visitng us then they have overcome the obstacles that prevent us from doing the same. I believe in ufo's and I believe that one really crashed in area 51. I don't know what is so hard to believe for people

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    thispego is a nerd

    on the moon nerds have their pants pulled down and are spanked with moon rocks
    youd like that wouldnt you?

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    if they are already visitng us then they have overcome the obstacles that prevent us from doing the same. I believe in ufo's and I believe that one really crashed in area 51. I don't know what is so hard to believe for people
    Well, these are pretty freaking astronomical-sized (literally!) obstacles to overcome. Roughly speaking, it would be like finding one particular cell in one organism that once lived at one time on this entire planet. I don't know if any amount of technological know-how or innovation would be able to solve it, because we're dealing with a universe that is bigger than our wildest dreams. Not to mention the time travel it would necessarily involve.

    And even if we do find someone, we're far more likely to come across their ruins (i.e., they went extinct aeons ago) or their pre-Space Age stage (i.e. they are primitive, or not even more than germs or fish, if macroevolution is true).

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    Area 51, um okay. Sure

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    youd like that wouldnt you?
    i was quoting ATHF

    smell my balls

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    Ladies and gentlemen! We have a time and space traveler amongst us! Give it up for JoeBurrito -- a man who has crossed both thresholds and returned alive. He has told us that, based on his travels, that he is confident that there is life out there.

    Do tell, Mr. Burrito -- why such confidence? And if there truly IS more life out there, how will we ever know about it?
    I said I was confident I didn't say I was correct. But there is also no proof that life doesn't exist somewhere else in the universe?
    Or have you time traveled and know that for a fact Mr. Knowitall?

    Tell me Don Quichote.

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    I haven't travelled space and time doofis I'm not the one saying there is or isn't life out there. I'm only saying that if there is, we'll never know it or find them.

    And what makes you so confident that there is? How could you possibly be confident?

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    i was quoting ATHF

    smell my balls
    mooninites were funny for like 2 episodes

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    If we find life on other planets they'll probably all be Jazz fans.

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    Area 51, um okay. Sure
    you laugh at the possibility of there being a ufo crash at area 51? well then you are a master of skepticism. I suppose every single ufo sighting in history was weather baloons or light refraction or ball lightening too, huh?.
    If you ever saw an actual ufo you might think differently

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    I'm not saying nothing happened. You're into Area 51. That's fine.

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    The crash was allegedly at Roswell NM not area 51. 51 has some negative connotations from people because it was widely speculated that the crash wreckage and bodies ended up in hanger 18 located at area 51 from both the Brownsville crash and the NM one.

    Area 51 is real. Its also heavily guarded and supposed to not exist up until recently. Located in the Nevada desert. Area 51 is what brought us the Blackbird and Stealth creations. This is all in conjunction with Wright Patterson Air Force Base which was allegedly the first stop after the Roswell incident.

    I do believe Roswell happened I just don't think it was Aliens and probably something our own government built and failed.

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    I'm not saying nothing happened. You're into Area 51. That's fine.
    just because i believe something happened there means im into it?

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    Area 51 is a remote tract of land in the southwestern portion of southern Nevada in the western United States. Situated at its center, on the southern shore of a dry lakebed (salt lake), is a large military airfield, one of the most secretive places in the world. The base's primary purpose is to support development and testing of experimental aircraft and weapons systems.[1][2]

    The base lies within the United States Air Force's vast Nevada Test and Training Range. Although the facilities at the range are managed by the 99th Air Base Wing at Nellis Air Force Base, the Groom facility appears to be run as an adjunct of the Air Force Flight Test Center (AFFTC) at Edwards Air Force Base in the Mojave Desert, around 160 miles (260 km) from Groom (AFFTC homepage), and as such the base is known as Air Force Flight Test Center (Detachment 3).[3][4]

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    The crash was allegedly at Roswell NM not area 51.
    no

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    Dude I was defending you. Stop biting the hand that feeds you.

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