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Mississippi got the record storm surge. New Orleans saw no more than 11 feet.
Sean Penn needs to get in his rowboat and head up that way.
On second thought, he'd only be getting in the way of folks who are actually doing something to save their town.
Mississippi got the record storm surge. New Orleans saw no more than 11 feet.
People quickly forget that Hurricane Katrina did not hit New Orleans. It hit the Mississippi coast. Katrina got a glancing blow and the levees failed anyway.
But that can happen when a contractor is supposed to drill steel pilings 30 feet into the ground, but only drills them 6 feet deep to boost his profits.
no. you're wrong. it was a 5 in the gulf. 3 when it hit. look it up.
Only parts of Lakeview, New Orleans East, and the Lower 9 got more than a couple of feet. It was St. Bernard and Plaquemines that got into the double-digits.
Manny's right that it was a Cat 5 storm surge, but wrong in thinking that's what New Orleans saw.
it just amazes me that he's that all knowing about everything.
Where was that found out to have existed?
If true, there are a few people who need to be in jail.
"New Orleans dodges a bullet by jumping into a vat of hot acid."
Well ... he does claim to be God. Of course, I've never heard him answer any of my prayers, or perform miracles.
It's not that I'm all-knowing; it's just that you're ignorant.it just amazes me that he's that all knowing about everything.
No ... he's referring to Manuel-es-Dios.
How often have you seen the truth to trump sensationalism in the media?
Besides. Liberals control the media. The govorner never authorized emergency aid, but it's president Bush's fault.
Why speak the truth when Bush Bashing sells?
You non-locals don't know the half of it.
Louisiana is arguably the most corrupt, most ineptly-governed, welfare-dependent state in the union. And New Orleans competes with Chicago for that honor with cities, although we don't really have unions here.
The pilings issue was covered up. You can still find allusions to it in some reports that gloss over the degree of corruption.
MIT study:
At one point along the 17th Street Canal and at two points along the London Avenue Canal, the levees were not overtopped but failed. The levees in this area are about 14 feet, but the water inside the canals was only at 8.5 feet. The canals were backed up with water from the storm surge coming from Lake Pontchartrain. The pumps in the canals were unable to pump the water out because the pumps were located below sea level in the section of the canal in the interior of the city, not near the lake. The levees along both canals are concrete I-walls atop earthen levees. The concrete walls were actually pushed aside by the water pressure building up inside the canals. The steel pilings driven into the soil were too shallow, and the soil foundations in which the concrete walls were anchored in were poor, too soft, and permeable. Water was able to seep through and undermine the foundations and wedge the wall from its foundations, causing the whole wall to be pushed over and water to enter the city. The canals, which are supposed to pump water out of the city, actually caused much of New Orleans to flood by letting water into the city. The breaches at the 17th St. Canal and London Avenue Canal were caused by engineering failures. The levees were built on top of poor soil and sand, the pilings were not deep enough, and the pumping system was designed poorly.
I heard a little about that, including the intentional underbuilding of the levies to save money, lining the pockets of the contractors and politicians.
From Govorner Nagen to President Obama.
Now we can have the entire nation as inept as Louisiana!
Shoot, read the T-P sometime (our local paper, NOLA.com). Every dang day there's a new scandal. (e.g., William "Cold Cash" Jefferson and his family, Derrick Shepherd, "Chocolate City" Nagin, the Landrieus (our Kennedys)). Not a Republican in the bunch.
The most expensive part of constructing those levees is drilling the piles deep into that marshy ground below sea level. The contractor was able to pocket most of his bid for the project by drilling so shallow.
What I can't remember is whether the sections of levees that failed were managed by the Army Corps or by one of the local levee boards. The only ways such catastrophic fraud could have been missed are complicity or total incompetence, both of which are Louisiana distinctives.
i wasn't referring to you jackass. ignorance is a choice.
Sounds like crappy design (or a design that didn't go far enough to account for all the water that actually ac ulated) and not an outright scam.
And with the Corps overseeing that system and its installation, the crappy design wouldn't surprise me.
At least I'm used to it.
Jesse Jackson still gets the projects in an uproar when he comes.
The water was still 6 feet below the top of at least one levee section that failed. You can't just chalk that up to bad design.
Sure you can.
Did the water "percolate" under the structure and cause it to weaken and fail? Was the spacing between pilings too far apart that is caused a weak point between piling spans? Was the piling not engineered deep enough (And why they wouldn't drive them to refusal would really concern me) and allowed it to be "undercut"?
I'm not saying that there wasn't corruption that caused the system to fail, but it also could be that they just plain ed up the engineering.
Or, being that it is the government doing this, they had a set budget and designed the system to fit the budget.
Its not my fault I'm smarter than you.it just amazes me that he's that all knowing about everything.
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