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    Okay fine. You believe that aliens landed at Roswell. That's cool.

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    i always assumed extraterrestrial life would look almost like humans but with pointy ears, or some kind of prothesis-like pronounced ridge across their faces, or lots of extra hair.

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    i always assumed extraterrestrial life would look almost like humans but with pointy ears, or some kind of prothesis-like pronounced ridge across their faces, or lots of extra hair.
    You've been watching too much Star Trek. It has been mostly theorized that extraterristial life are single celled organisms/ameobas etc. But that does not exclude that there is a chance that there are fully humanoid organisms out there.

    I think there are extraterrestial bipedal/quadruped organisms in the universe. The universe is so big that no can can say with a definite yes or no whether an advanced organism exists.
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    Okay fine. You believe that aliens landed at Roswell. That's cool.
    There is more enough evidence world wide that supports the belief of aliens.

    Also the guy in the famous NM paper holding the wreckage came forward before he died and wrote a tell all. The secretary came forward in her late 60's or 70's with quite a bit of info as well. Its more compelling than you think. Quite a bit of info supports that at the very least the government went to great lengths to hide something.

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    Dude I was defending you. Stop biting the hand that feeds you.

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    Okay fine. You believe that aliens crashed at Roswell. That's cool.

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    Glad you got the reference. Yes, you are a dork.

    And I am more than open to "new and exciting paradigms." If you have any logical reasons how it would be desirable or even possible to make contact with any civilized race out there, I'm all ears.
    Its only viewed as impossible currently because our perception of time. But that changes very rapidly especially as a civilization grows. Think about it this way, 100 years ago a single year meant a lot more than it does now. What happens in a year today happens at a much accelerated pace. Society speeds up as it goes.

    In other words, gaps of time that seem insurmountable to us today may not seem that way 100 years from now. I'm not saying they will or they won't, but you have to allow for the possibility that they will.

    As for the desireability of seeking out other possible species I think you need look no further than the history of human travels and exploration. There have been driving factors for that including money and power, but there has also been a great deal of curiosity that has driven humans to explore in the past. We want to know things.

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    Maybe -- the evidence for aliens visiting us is pretty scant. I know there's stories and some unexplained phenomena, but it would be fallacious to conclude that aliens have necessarily landed, based on these few reports.

    And, they still face the same obstacles seeing and finding us, as we do them. And, who says they're friendly?
    I think one thing people expect is to see aliens here exploring us in big space ships etc etc. I think people have to allow for the possibility of alien visitation being done on earth at the nano scale. Its fairly safe to say that with the upcoming breakthroughs in nanotechnology machines will be miniturized to a great extent and what if those aliens we keep looking for in giant space craft are really here at the microscopic level?

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    I think one thing people expect is to see aliens here exploring us in big space ships etc etc. I think people have to allow for the possibility of alien visitation being done on earth at the nano scale. Its fairly safe to say that with the upcoming breakthroughs in nanotechnology machines will be miniturized to a great extent and what if those aliens we keep looking for in giant space craft are really here at the microscopic level?
    Now thats an interesting take.

    I for one, believe the universe is much too big to be devoid of life save Earth.

    I believe in time (eons, if we're even around), life will be seen as abundant. Whether its a virus/bacteria on an asteroid or some other civilization traversing the stars.

    Its the human condition to think we are the center of everything. Center of the solar system, center of the Galaxy, center of the universe, center of life, the center of God.

    Self importance knows no bounds. Our greatest attribute and Achilles heel all in the same smug package.

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    I haven't travelled space and time doofis I'm not the one saying there is or isn't life out there. I'm only saying that if there is, we'll never know it or find them.

    And what makes you so confident that there is? How could you possibly be confident?
    I just feel that way. To think that in this massive universe of ours that we are the only living things just doesn't sit well with me. And as much as we've discovered including the possibilty of water on Mars who is to say we won't discover some microscopic living things? We may not find out in our life times but who is to say we won't in the future? Please tell me how you can see in the future and say we'll never know it or find them?

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    Now thats an interesting take.

    I for one, believe the universe is much too big to be devoid of life save Earth.

    I believe in time (eons, if we're even around), life will be seen as abundant. Whether its a virus/bacteria on an asteroid or some other civilization traversing the stars.

    Its the human condition to think we are the center of everything. Center of the solar system, center of the Galaxy, center of the universe, center of life, the center of God.

    Self importance knows no bounds. Our greatest attribute and Achilles heel all in the same smug package.
    I just think that people think today so much in terms of their physical bodies. Really as the information age goes on maybe the human body becomes far less important and the human mind takes new roles.

    Its funny because I really have nothing else to compare this to, but if you think about certain scenes from movies like The Matrix and Lawnmower Man you find a lot more of what our future contains or might possibly contain than from movies like 2001:ASO.

    Are bodies the end all be all or are they a tool that we use to facilitate our minds?

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    Its only viewed as impossible currently because our perception of time. But that changes very rapidly especially as a civilization grows. Think about it this way, 100 years ago a single year meant a lot more than it does now. What happens in a year today happens at a much accelerated pace. Society speeds up as it goes.

    In other words, gaps of time that seem insurmountable to us today may not seem that way 100 years from now. I'm not saying they will or they won't, but you have to allow for the possibility that they will.

    As for the desireability of seeking out other possible species I think you need look no further than the history of human travels and exploration. There have been driving factors for that including money and power, but there has also been a great deal of curiosity that has driven humans to explore in the past. We want to know things.
    That's fine and good, and I agree that humanity will inevitably try their luck in outer space. But I fear you're being a wee bit overly optimistic about our ability to overcome these astronomical (pun intended) obstacles in the realm of space and time. I'm more than open to the possibility that we'll discover some breakthrough, but it will have to be just that -- a real breakthrough in the fabric of space and time. Because in the 3-D world we live in, we're not getting much past Mars in our lifetime.

    I'd say it's much, much more likely that our civilization flames out (either goes extinct, or undergoes a general decline not unlike the Fall of Rome or the collapse of the Sumerians) than any of these things actually happening. Not only must we develop the technology (at enormous cost), but we need somewhere to go, and someone to meet when we get there. Highly, highly unlikely.

    As a Christian believer, I would add that the eschaton (the "End," but I'm not a big rapture guy) would happen long before we come across any humanoids. I'd be thrilled if we were to find cosmic DNA, let alone life.

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    sweet article. leading to some interesting thoughts...and some not so interesting thoughts.

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    Doesn't matter, we could never get to these planets in any realistic time-frame. Plus the economic costs would ensure that it never happens. I suspect humanity will have killed itself off before it was able to create the means for interstellar travel.

    We can't even transmit information let alone people over these distances. If aliens live on some obscure planet in the Andromeda galaxy (the closest galaxy), it would take 5.0 million years just to send say a greeting and get a reply using light to transmit data.

    Heck, even a close star like Gliese 876 is 15 light-years away and news would be 30 years behind. Propelling a spaceship over that distance would take a ridiculous amount of energy.

    This reminds me of a problem in cryptography where you have to find the factors of a large prime number. Even if technology somehow advanced so that we could store 100 GB of data on a 1 cubic centimeter piece of medium that weighed 1/100th of a gram, you would need more data storage than exists mass on the Earth to tabulate those factors of the prime.

    Basically, some things are just not possible. Or rather, feasible.

    The reason technology has advanced so far from ye olde times is because of physics. But fact is, we are hitting our limits in what we can discover. Stuff is getting too small so that it's too brittle, no matter which alloy is used or so big that it's structurally impossible. Even the most meticulously crafted things like carbon nanotubes have limits.

    Like Don Quixote says, we should at most probably look for cosmic dna as far as extraterrestrial life goes.

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    aliens don't have to be from other planets. they can be from another dimension and can travel in and out, so the whole it takes time to get here crap is unnescessary.

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    I do believe there is life out there somewhere but I don't believe we will be around to see it given the current state of space travel/exploration plans for the future. Humans time on this planet is roughly equal to taking one step in a 3,000 mile walk. We are really just starting to discover what we are capable of. 100 years ago we barely developed the ability to travel by air, 200 years ago our country was being founded and the idea of ever reaching the moon was more than likely never even thought of. 200 years is nothing at all. There are people who are 113 years old right now, and they can probably remember their grandparents or great-grandparents which would mean 3 generations could quite easily span over 250-300 years. My point is, we can't even being to imagine what this planet, or the future of our race will look like 200 years from now, let alone 500 or 1000 if we are still around. I would love to be able to see the first day we colonize another planet or run into intelligent life, but it is more than likely not going to happen...but I'm sure there are people living who said the same thing about ever seeing men zip through the air in planes.

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    I think Earth is a intergalactic reality show. South park nailed it watch this

    http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/103622/

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    The richers can leave. It'll take em at least 10,000 years to get where they're going, with current technology. (I just took a stab at it -- I don't have a clue how many years it would take.) And the odds that this alleged M-class planet actually (a) has life, (b) has some form of civilization, (c) isn't either still in its "primordial soup" stage or extinct by 3 billion years, or (d) won't vaporize us and take over our planet if we do make contact ... are rather slim.

    And if they're there, how come we haven't heard from them? Can't they send a signal? They're probably not even worth conquering.
    HAHA this is quite a think tank ya'll got going on, awesome observations guys. It gave me a good laugh ya'll are the !

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    Maybe so.

    But what if they come, and they happen across my cat -- who's friendly and goes up to people. If they don't find any humans, then they might conclude that we're a planet full of friendly animals (no people, nukes, ICBMs, etc.). And they they'll come -- and vaporize us.

    Who says they'll be friendly?

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    bible thumpers like yourself can't be taken seriously in conversations like this

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    Maybe so.

    But what if they come, and they happen across my cat -- who's friendly and goes up to people. If they don't find any humans, then they might conclude that we're a planet full of friendly animals (no people, nukes, ICBMs, etc.). And they they'll come -- and vaporize us.

    Who says they'll be friendly?
    Why do aliens always come out as violent invading creatures anyway?
    You think earth people will destroy an alien civilization IF we somehow find one?
    Well, come to think of it, there are reasons why aliens go out and look for other planets: resources, knowledge, curiousity, habitation...

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    bible thumpers like yourself can't be taken seriously in conversations like this
    Neither can idiots like you. Run along now.

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