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i have a lot of doubts on him has a first rounder
DraftExpress: Just to follow up on the shooting. Last time I checked you shot around 53% from the field and around 42% from three, so that would indicate you’re a pretty good shooter no?
Chris Douglas-Roberts: Yea, that’s the logical thing, but there are still some doubts. I really don’t know what they see, but that’s their doubt in their mind. But it is tough sometimes, because you see how much you’ve improved your shot and people are saying that you aren’t a great shooter. You know I’d rather get to the basket anyway, but I’ll look to shoot the jump shot.
DraftExpress: If you had to pick really one thing that you learned from Coach Calipari, what would that be?
Chris Douglas-Roberts: How to deal with the coach. Coach plays a lot of mind games and you have to be mentally tough to play for him; I’m sure it’s the same way in the NBA. So being really successful in the game comes a lot from what I learned from Coach.
DraftExpress: Aside from your physical abilities as a player, what is the most important thing you can offer an NBA franchise?
Chris Douglas-Roberts: I feel I bring a lot of character to an NBA team. At ude is a big thing, and I think I bring one to the locker room that a lot of players don’t have.
i have a lot of doubts on him has a first rounder
Adding to what you say, a good amount of his success with these stats is how much he goes to the line. Not only does he get to the hoop, he draws and sells a lot of contact there. One hopes he can improve his percentage from the line, where he's merely average, but he definitely puts pressure on defenses by breaking them down but also putting defenders in foul trouble. That's something that may continue in the NBA - a player doesn't lose his craftiness in creating contact.
CDR has that crafty Detroit game. Good instincts and solid basketball IQ. If the Spurs drafted him and he lived up to his potential, he'd be a very nice addition. He's the type of player that can carry an offense for 5 to 10 minutes. Plus in college, he might have taken less dumb shots than anyone. He knows the game and as long as he's big and athletic enough, there's no reason why he can't be at least a 7th or 8th man in a rotation.
Considering he actually has two healthy knees, CDR and Chalmers have to be the safest picks.
Draft Report: Chris Douglas-Roberts
Chris Douglas-Roberts is a prime example of an excellent college swingman with questions about whether or not he has enough tools to succeed on the NBA level.
He needs to become stronger and is also far from being spectacular in the air athletically although instances like a reverse dunk on a fastbreak against Gonzaga certainly helps dispel that notion. He has good in-air body control on finishes when he gets some space and was more confident with his athleticism during his junior season, but he loses that when he gets bumped.
The lack of strength in his core causes him to not be as balanced as he needs to be since his center of gravity is too far out in front of him.
What he does do well, of course, is score. He has improved his perimeter shot dramatically this season and became a good 3-point shooter. The increase, in no small part, was due to how well Derrick Rose frees up everyone on the floor allowing very few of those 3-point attempts to be tightly contested.
The mechanics of his perimeter shot could certainly improve. His misses often look really bad and are left/right as much as short/long. He doesn’t extend his follow through very well, allows his left hand too much impact, and his balance issues also affect his accuracy although he does consistently elevate well.
Unless his results are there immediately, his mechanics will need to be reshaped.
His mid-range game is very good as he works well without the ball, almost always moving around whether on the perimeter or in the middle of the paint. Douglas-Roberts will cut strong baseline for backdoors and also curls up to the elbow well.
He has an awkward looking push shot; when he gets inside 15-feet, he uses that religiously although it is effective.
There are a whole host of skills he exhibits once he gets the ball in the mid-range.
He can beat his man off the dribble and get himself into the lane for pull-up jumpers and runners. He also goes well to the baseline before shooting soft teardrops.
But his post game and perimeter non-catch-and-shoot work is mostly based on dribbling in place and then making a sudden move. He rarely makes any pre-dribble jab steps or shot fakes, which is something he’ll be unable to get away with in the NBA.
He is a below-average passer, showing little imagination or crispness evidenced by a bad assist to turnover ratio.
Defensively, he should have been better on-ball against the ordinary compe ion he faced in Conference-USA. He gets beat off the dribble because of those balance issues and is clearly not as quick laterally as he needs to be to guard top NBA shooting guards.
Furthermore, he is frequently prone to getting backdoored. What he does do well defensively is utilizing his long arms to get his hands on passes.
He should have a decent pro career, but his liabilities defensively will likely offset what he delivers offensively.
http://realgm.com/src_fromtherafters...ts_of_memphis/
I was already onboard the CDR train before I read that latest draft report. Just further confirms my feeling that CDR is a terrific fit for us. We've got an asset that every other team wishes they had -- Chip Engelland. I'd really like to see CDR after Engelland rebuilds his shooting stroke. But of course, now that I've got my hopes up.....he'll probably be off the board before we can get to him.
How about this:
Upside: Steve Smith (young and pre-knee injuries)
Downside: Chris Carrawell
I lean more to the upside.
I'm not sure that Smith's a good comp. He was much more a pure shooter coming out of MSU. CDR is more of a scorer.
I also think that CDR has the potential to be a superior defender.
Yeah I gotta say this guy is my number 1 choice for the draft.
Chris Douglas Roberts has potential to be a really really solid shooting guard.
IMO hed have a great shot at starting.
yeah, i mentioned it earlier in the thread, but you can draw some comparisons between him and Josh Howard before he got drafted.
guys who produced against quality compe ion, had recently developed jumpers, are long for their size, and it was questioned whether their athletic ability would translate to the NBA. Now, Howard is an inch or two taller than CDR.
You sure about that?
never sure of anything. my guess is CDR is about 6'5.5, and Howard was around 6'6.5.
But hey, if I'm wrong, then it only emphasizes my comparison.
Regardless, Howard is more a SF and CDR a SG. I only wish Douglas-Roberts rebounded nearly as well as Howard.never sure of anything. my guess is CDR is about 6'5.5, and Howard was around 6'6.5.
But hey, if I'm wrong, then it only emphasizes my comparison
Anyone know JH's rebounding stats at Wake Forest?
4.7 his 1st year, 5.9 his 2nd, 7.7 his 3rd, 8.3 his 4th.
Holy crap. How did we not draft this guy?@?@??@?!?!!?!
Not ready to jump on the CDR train just yet, but I wouldn't be disappointed if he were the pick.
As much as I think the Spurs need a scorer versus a shooter, I'm just not sold on CDRs ability to be that guy on the NBA level. Something tells me he's too skinny and not relatively quick enough to be the scorer he was in college.
I think I'm probably more down on him than most anyone in here....except for the guy who said the Spurs didn't need a scorer and that CDR was a short shooting guard.
If the Spurs take him, I'll trust their scouting and hope for the best. But to be honest, I think I'd rather have the guy with bum knees or the backup PG who won't average over 15mpg with the Spurs...and that's probably saying something.
Also, has anyone seen a quote or article that indicates the Spurs are interested? I know it probably means nothing if there isn't anything out there, but I was just curious.
If there isn't anything out there it may actually mean they are interested.(Knowing the Spurs.)
Actually, Tony -- as soon as you hear that the Spurs are interested in CDR, that's when you know there's no way in we're taking him (if past years are any indication).....to answer your question though -- no, I haven't seen anything yet....which is good for people like me, because I'm crossing my fingers for this guy.
rc is our gm, that's all you need to know
Now hes a pot smoking worthless choke on the Mavericks.
Yeah I'm broke up over it.
Wait, his negative is he wasn't a chucker on a loaded team?Negatives: Needs to improve his long-range jump shot. He shot the ball consistently from 3-point range this year, but he didn't take a lot of them.
CDR is listed at 6'7", 200 lbs, although he has supposedly bulked up a bit. Manu is listed at 6'6", 205 lbs. So is Manu too skinny?
Would you call Manu a freakish athlete, or an incredible pure shooter? Nope. But he has always had a knack for putting the ball in the hole. Not saying that CDR will ever be the player that Manu is. But there are some similarities. I don't think you would understand Manu's game if you only saw him in a workout. If you watched CDR in a game, you would understand his value better.
He looks awkward on the court, and people describe his game as "unorthodox". And I think that makes some people discount what he does, like "it's just luck when a shot like that goes in." But when a guy keeps doing it game after game, it's not luck. The numbers don't lie.
The other thing that I think is important is that he has improved every year. His numbers got better, but so did his decision making. And the little stuff. They say that last year he went to the right 61% of the time when driving to the basket. This year he evened it out to 49%. That isn't coincidence. He worked on it because he understood that gave defenders an edge. It's hard to overcome a natural tendency like that - just ask Manu.
There is no doubt that he's never faced NBA compe ion. I just think he is one of those guys who finds a way. And maybe his unorthodox style will even help him.
Yeah. Go figure. You gotta hate a guy with a mid-range game.Wait, his negative is he wasn't a chucker on a loaded team?
Manu is really the guy for comparisons for CDR. They're aren't the same, obviously, in many ways, but their offensive games are incredibly similar for the reasons GSH goes through. They're both wily slashers who are deceptively athletic. They get off shots they shouldn't, hit spaces in unorthodox ways, and they even shoot from outside with similar forms.
CDR will never be Manu, but at least as far as surface aesthetics go.
He was the leading scorer on his team and was a focus on offense night in and night out.Wait, his negative is he wasn't a chucker on a loaded team?
I think the criticism is that his improved percentages may not actually be a true reflection of his ability to consistenly hit long-range shots.
Well, he did shoot a more than respectable 41% from 3, can't make any of those from closer than 20 feet.
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