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I just think people are selling this 22 year old short. He, as is, would be considered excellent for his age coming out of college, which most 22 year olds are. He has his issues, no doubt, but still a ton of upside, a la Dirk.
I would in no way take 3-5 fewer rebounds from a guy who is supposed to play next to Duncan. That guy isn't going to score much anyway.
I just think people are selling this 22 year old short. He, as is, would be considered excellent for his age coming out of college, which most 22 year olds are. He has his issues, no doubt, but still a ton of upside, a la Dirk.
But what would make you think that Toronto would be open to trading him as they're not giving up on the 1st overall pick just yet?
And what would make you think that the Spurs would be open to trading for him as they already have someone like him in Matt Bonner, and with another big they're trying to develop in Ian Mahinmi?
I am not saying rebounds per game or per minute are not telling stats, but it does not mean that guys who average 4 rebounds in 12 minutes of play would average 16 boards a game.
He was the #1 pick in the draft and, fairly or unfairly, is held to that standard. Honestly, it was a weak draft and Bargnani was only the clear-cut favorite because Colangelo wanted to make Toronto into Europe's first NBA team.
He was not a complete prospect then and he hasn't shown much progress to make people think he's going to emerge as a star one day. Obviously at 22 the book is far from written on this kid, but what we've seen so far doesn't look promising.
I did not say in the original thread that I thought they would trade him other than he lost a lot of playing time this season. I said I would like him on the Spurs and it would not be impossible to get him if they are unhappy with him.
The Spurs would be willing to trade for him because Tiago is not coming over and Bonner is aging with very limited skill set and no room to improve. Andrea is only 22, pretty polished offensively and can work on defense, rebounding and post moves, although his work ethic is questionable.
That's not what the per 48 min stat is intended to show. What it is supposed to highlight is how high a player rebounds given the minutes he is given.
And the fact that Bargnani rebounds at such a depressingly low rate for a seven-footer you mean to throw out there alongside Duncan is enough of a reason for me to dislike this trade idea.
Sure, the guy may still have some potential to improve. But skill-wise and for the price he commands? Bad fit.
Since when is 28 aging?
Anyway there's no way Bargnani would get ANY minutes at PF/C because the other players here are so much better than he is.
There's another athletic big with polished offensive skills and a questionable work ethic that is reportedly available and would probably cost alot less to get....
Meet Charlie Villanueva.
Well, I am saying that I think Bargs will have a very nice career when it is all said and done.
I would love to get Charlie.
They could also pick a big from the draft.
And just how different is Bonner's skillset from Andrea's? There's not many differences. Matt Bonner is 28, but that doesn't mean he still can't crack a spot into the rotation with the Spurs.
If he has questionable work ethic, then that's already a big red flag in the Spurs FO eyes.
And on top of that I still don't see a reason why Toronto would trade him.
Maybe, but....
Maybe, but....
...and a very palatable contract.
no guaranteed money beyond 2010...nice
'09, no?
I think CV is restricted next summer.
Qualifying offer prior to 09/10 season....so it'd be like a two-year contract with a team option in the second year.
He's set to make about $3.5M this year and a little over $4M the next year, if the team extends the qualifying offer.
I'm sure they want to get some value in return for him, but at this point they're overcrowded with perimeter-oriented forwards and it'll be interesting to see who they target in this draft.
Not sure what it would take, but he'd be a nice gamble.
Yeah.
I'd like him in the rotation as someone with some size who can shoot the 3. How does he become a Spur?
Million dollar question....
Bonner's salary is nearly a match, but he's got another year beyond this one and I doubt Milwakee would take him on for his talent.
Splitter's rights are worth diddly at the moment, so I'm not sure how much that helps.
I suppose the Spurs could dangle a draft pick or two, though they don't have much to offer outside of this year's #26, which is too much IMO.
Okay here's my wag....
S&T Horry (subsequently retires), future first-round draft pick, and Splitter rights.
Damn that's soft.
I don't know. I don't see much of a chance. But you never know. I don't think the lux tax would be much of a concern. And they can keep him for a relatively cheap salary for a few more seasons.
I agree.
Bargnani sucks...
WTF is wrong with you?
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