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I can't give you any specific examples. Maybe we can ask the Feds to replay all my phone conversations, emails, texts, and other communications they recorded illegally?
I asked these to Supergirl and she couldnt answer them. She just said she is scared for a hostile takeover.
How has the government interfered in your daily life in the past 8 years? Have you not been able to express yourself in the past 8 years?
I am looking for specific examples. I ask this because a lot of people talk like our government is turning into big brother, but can't give specific examples how. If people really have been affected, I am open to hearing them.
I can't give you any specific examples. Maybe we can ask the Feds to replay all my phone conversations, emails, texts, and other communications they recorded illegally?
actions and behavior. you can't discount the future. republican direction has sent our country spiralling into free-fall.
big brothers action certainly can have an affect on tomorrow.
you can't have my kid. right now, this country isn't worthy.
I really enjoy how I always get to go through the special inspection with the metal-detector wand now at the airport. As best as I can tell, I made it onto some watch list because of my taste for Mediterranean food. If I ever buy a keffiyeh, I assume I'll be grounded from flying.
I am slowly, but steadily, becoming more careful of what I say and do because privacy has been eroded by corporations and government. I am seriously considering subscribing to a proxy server to avoid the spying.
I used to live in a canyon home just outside of SLC. One night there was manhunt for a guy who did a hit and run and took off on foot into the canyon. I was sitting in my living room with a couple roomates watching basketball. A cop came up on my porch, looked through the window and saw a tobacco hookah that we had in the corner.
Without knocking he opened our door, came into our house, detained us without saying why, called backup, proceeded to search our entire house and then arrested us for marijauna possession. I couldn't afford to bail myself out at the time and I spent 3 days in jail for a charge that was eventually dropped because the judge agreed that the ing pig had absolutely no probable cause to just come into our house without permission.
My governement, came to my house, looked in my window, opened the door, searched my possesions, put me in cuffs and took 72 hours of my life and locked it in a 10x5 cell. And in the end... by law, they had absolutely no right or reason to do so. Doesn't matter, they did it anyway.
That sucks if that happened.Do you think it was because of George Bush that that cop did that? This may have been a dream though as your memory could be failing you because of your extensive pot smoking.
The Federal government?
Sounds like a local cop out of control. Congratulations on beating a pot rap, however.
Was that Bush's fault. The Cop broke the ing law!!! It just have easily been the guy they were looking for. Would that be Bush's fault, too?
Pfffff, did I say it was Bush's fault??? Did cajunspur ask for examples related specifically to federal governement? In both cases, the answer is no.
He asked if govt has interfered with my personal life. The answer is yes. A governmental agent, an executive one, robbed me of three days of my life after intruding into my home and privacy.
Please. I'm far from lacking in intellect and I've been high multiple times a day, almost every day, for 6 years. Get off your high horse about that becaue really, you have no clue what you're talking about. And BTW, I don't even want to get into a debate about the merits or conversely the dangers of smoking marijuana, so please don't turn this thread into a referendum.
And no, I don't think it was George Bush's fault at all. I do think racist conservatives outlawed marijuana for ridiculous reasons though. And I think the reason it's still illegal is because the conservative among us fear it and propogate ridiculous myths about it. Of course I don't blame Bush though. If that's what you were getting at you should have made that point in the OP.
The government didn't. An individual did.
Purhaps you should file a civil complaint against him. Not only for violating your rights, but for not doing his job of protecting the community. They guy was on a manhunt, yet he took the time to harrass you instead? Shouldn't he have been looking for the suspect?
At a minumum, I think you should suggest to the police department he be repremanded for stopping the manhunt. Was he afraid or something? Have to find an excuse to take a safer bust?
I had a problem with the state of Oregon some time back. I'm divorced, and I was paying Child Support. When I was laid off, my ex files for the Oregon Health Plan. They were aggressive in getting into our lives. Even though I still regularly paid Child Support, they started garnishing my pay at the new job I had (that didn't provide health care.) I didn't like it because they were implying I was irresponsible. That really wasn't the big issue.
Once they took the money out of my pay, it took about three weeks for them to process it and get the money to my ex. Sometimes, they would up, and she wouldn't get it for six weeks. Then she would call me, call social services, then you know how government is. The left hand doesn't talk to the right... They accused me and my employer they weren't getting the money to send to her! I would have to take my pay statements and show them the deductions. This really got to be a pain.
In the end, they took out more than they ever gave her once the child support ended. They sill have money that I finally gave up on trying to track.
I had an incident that is closely related to the data-sharing and spying going on.
Unfortunately, I'm legally unable to further expand on it. What I can tell you is that both my wife and me gone through very stressful times for the couple of months that went on, and don't wish it on anybody. Luckily, everything worked out for the best.
Are we only referring to civil rights issues?
Because I can tell you that the decline in the value of the dollar has had an impact on every single American, and a significant amount of the blame for that must go to our wreckless fiscal policies. I personally don't care which politician you blame for that... I blame all of them.
Ah, the "bad apple" defense. I expect that one will get a thorough workout in the years to come.
Personally, I'm tired of our country killing innocent people...
Think ProgressNADLER: Colonel Wilkerson, in your prepared testimony, you write that “as I compiled my dossier for Secretary Powell, and as I did further research, and as my views grew firmer and firmer I had to reread that memo (of February 7, 2002), “I needed to balance in my own mind the overwhelming evidence that my own government had sanctioned abuse and torture, which at its worse had led to the murder of 25 detainees and at least 100 detainee deaths. We have murder at least 25 people in detention. That was the clear low point of the evidence.” Your testimony said 100 detainees have died in detention; do you believe the 25 of those were in effect murdered?
WILKERSON: Mr. Chairman, I think the number’s actually higher than that now. Last time I checked it was 108, and the total number that were declared homicides by the military services, or by the CIA, or others doing investigations, CID, and so forth — was 25, 26, 27.
NADLER: Were declared homicides?
WILKERSON: Right, starting as early as December 2001 in Afghanistan.
NADLER: And these were homicides committed by people engaged in interrogations?
WILKERSON: Or in guarding prisoners, or something like that. People who were in detention.
NADLER: They were in detention, not trying to escape or anything, declared homicides by our own authorities.
If we don't take responsibility ourselves and clean house, the rest of the world will....
So this is an example of the government interfering with your everyday personal life?
I am referring more to things like the Patriot Act that everyone freaks out about.
"The government didn't. An individual did."
Just ing wow. The govt is perfect and innocent, govt employees? who GAF?
We are now learing that it wasn't a few bad apples at Abu Ghraib but that torture was ordered by Rumsfeld and CIA.
The hookah-spotting cop was not a bad apple but representative of a rotten police system. Having incredible and increasing FASCIST powers (the basic principle of which is the anti-Cons utional rule of "ins utions crushes citizens"), the govt is to be assumed GUILTY of abuse of citizens and must prove its innocence to keep.
The fascism is that the police/corporatist state is now totally out of control of the citizens, who have no recourse for correcting the police state, to make the police state serve the citizens rather than crush the citizens.
yes, yes, I know, I'm pro-terrorist. GFY, all you fascists.
So, when postal workers shoot the place up...that's the government?
Dude had pot; a cop violated his rights; dude WALKED. What part of...govt. EMPLOYEE ed up, EVERYONE knows it, and that's that, can't you understand? In your perfect world, HOW do you prevent what happened from happening? What would you change about govt. policy to keep an employee of the govt. from exerting free will and breaking that policy? Mind control?
My federal government put my name on a no-fly list for more than a year without any justification as to me personally. It cost me plenty of additional exposure to TSA security measures and allowed me to spend literally hours of additional time at airports proving that I have never had any terroristic intentions.
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under those cir stances, the government agency is responsible for the actions of its agent. your argument FAILS
This thread should be led "If You Haven't Been Personally Affected, You Need to Shut Up and Not Question Authority!!"
They are liable, but if it isn't Government Policy to "break and enter" without justification (it isn't), then it isn't Government.
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