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    http://www.ole.clarin.com/notas/2008.../01697693.html

    El celular del general manager RC Buford sonó en el 2007 y del otro lado se escuchó la voz de David Stern, el capo de la NBA. "No obliguen a sus jugadores a renunciar a las selecciones", le pidió-exigió el comisionado. El tirón de orejas llegó luego de que el entrenador Gregg Popovich insistiera con que Emanuel Ginóbili y Fabricio Oberto debían cuidarse más y no concurrir al Preolímpico de Las Vegas. Poco cambió desde entonces. Tal vez las prohibiciones dejaron de ser públicas, salvo la de Cleveland (ver La censura...), pero las presiones siguen ejerciendo un poder devastador. Esa misma es la que sufrió, sufre y sufrirá Manu en este mes que sigue. "Serán semanas duras y difíciles", admitió ayer Carlos Prunes. Y su agente en el país no se refiere a la evolución de la lesión en el tobillo izquierdo... Será la demanda texana la protagonista principal de esta historia que no tiene final.

    Pop, siguiendo su formación militar, maneja todo en los Spurs. Es un técnico muy exigente y está en cada detalle, aunque sea el más íntimo de un jugador: ha logrado que la mujer de uno de sus dirigidos volviera inmediatamente a San Antonio porque "ya había estado mucho tiempo afuera y su lugar está al lado de su marido". Con un poder mayor a un conductor normal, cuida con uñas y dientes su puesto y los intereses del equipo. Por eso sugiere-ordena que los extranjeros no jueguen tal o cual torneo, prefiere que descansen (si tienen alguna molestia, es la excusa ideal) y así estén fresquitos para empezar la temporada: lo hizo con los argentinos y últimamente con el armador Tony Parker, quien accedió a no jugar durante dos años para la selección de Francia.

    Ahora lo hace con Manu y para ello podrá usar un argumento nuevo y de mucho peso: la extensión de contrato que la dirigencia de San Antonio están negociando con los agentes de Gino. Al escolta le quedan dos años y, en el nuevo acuerdo, habría dos más... Jugoso. "No hay obligación, pero las dos partes querían y se empezó a charlar", le confirmó Prunes a Olé. Pensando en el 2010, parece una situación más beneficiosa para el argentino que para la franquicia (ver Gratificación...), por eso será un arma que los texanos podrán utilizar para ejercer presión sobre el bahiense. "Si jugás en Pekín, tal vez nos olvidemos de la renegociación", le podrían advertir. La relación de Manu con Popovich y Buford es estrecha y excelente, pero negocios son negocios...

    La presión se observa, además, en las informaciones y declaraciones que llegan desde Texas, muy diferentes a las que se oyen en nuestro país. "Acá dicen que la lesión es bastante preocupante, que no mejoró mucho en tres semanas y podría necesitar operación si no se cura", le contó Jeff McDonalds, periodista del diario San Antonio Express-News, a Olé. En la Argentina, en cambio, sólo hay optimismo de parte del grupo de especialistas que el miércoles le realizó nuevos estudios. "La lesión no es grave ni de alto riesgo. Con medicación y tratamiento kinésico, la zona afectada se desinflamará y podrá participar en los Juegos Olímpicos", asegura Diego Grippo, médico de la Selección.

    Es evidente que, si fuera otro jugador, esta lesión no lo sacaría de Pekín. Pero distinta es la situación de Manu. Detrás de ese tobillo izquierdo existen muy fuertes intereses. Popovich no quiere que arriesgue nada porque sabe que, sin él, su equipo no puede volver a salir campeón. Le quedó bien clarito luego de la derrota en la definición del Oeste frente a los Lakers: Gino en bajo nivel es sinónimo de eliminación. Por eso lo abordaron los nervios cuando recibió el no rotundo del bahiense a inmovilizar el tobillo durante seis semanas. "No es una opción, así me pierdo los Juegos. No puedo prepararme en 20 días", les dijo Ginóbili al DT y al médico luego de enterarse de que el ligamento tibio peróneo posterior no había regresado a su habitual dimensión. Ahí surgió la opción: esperar tres semanas y realizar (el 7 u 8 de julio confirmó Prunes) otra resonancia en San Antonio. Manu se plantó una vez. ¿Cuánto más podrá hacerlo?

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    RC Buford’s cell phone rang in 2007 and on the other side it was David Stern NBA’s CEO. “Do not force your players to quit to their national teams”, the commissioner asked. The advise came after Gregg Popovich insisted that both Manu Ginobili and Fabricio Oberto had to take care of themselves more and be absent of the Olympic qualifying tournament in Las Vegas. Little has changed since. Maybe the franchises prohibiting their players to do so stopped being public (except Cleveland of course) but pressure by teams is till having a devastating effect. That pressure is the same Manu suffered and is currently under and will have Manu on the following month. “Those will be tough difficult weeks to come” Carlos Prunes Manu’s agent admitted. His agent in Argentina is not talking about the evolution of his injured left ankle… it would be the Texan demand the main actor on this never ending story.

    Pop, following his military formation, handles everything on the Spurs. He is a very demanding coach and is on every single detail even the most private of their players: ha has made that the wife of one of the Spurs players came back immediately to San Antonio because “she had been was too much time abroad already and her place is next to her husband”. With greater powers than a regular leader, he fiercely takes care of his job and his team’s interests. That is why he “suggests”/orders that the foreign players play specific tournaments, he prefers them to have some rest (if they have any thing bothering them physically is the perfect excuse) so they are super fresh for the beginning of the regular season: he has done it with the argentines and lately with PG Tony Parker, who agreed not to play for two years for the French National team.

    He is now doing this with Manu and for that he started using a new argument and a very heavy one: Gino’s contract extension that San Antonio’s front office is currently negotiating with his agents. The SG still has two years left on his contracts, and on the new agreement there would be two more… Juicy. “There is no obligation, but both parties wanted it and conversations begun”, his agent Prunes confirmed to Ole. Thinking in 2010, it seems a more beneficial situation for the player than for the franchise , that’s why it will be a weapon that the Texans could use to pressure Manu. “If you play in Beijing, maybe we’ll forget about the negotiations” he could be told. Manu’s relationship with Popovich and Buford is close and excellent, but business is business…

    Pressure could be watched, even more, the news and reports coming from Texas are very different to what we are hearing on our country. “Here they say his injury is worrisome and that it didn’t get better in three weeks and could need surgery if it doesn’t heal” Jeff McDonalds San Antonio Express-News reporter told Ole. By the other hand in Argentina, everybody is very optimistic about the injury after a group of specialists did new studies. “the injury is not severe and is not a high risk one. With medication and kinesics treatment, the affected zone will go back to normal and he could be part of the Olympics” Diego Grippo Argentina’s national team doctor.

    It is evident that if it was another player this injury would definitively not take him out of Beijing. But Manu’s situation is different. Behind that ankle there are very strong interests. Popovich doesn’t want him to risk anything because he knows that, without him, his team can’t be a champ again. It was very clear after the loss to the Flakers in the WCF: Gino on a lower level means elimination. That’s why he (Pop) was very nervous when Manu gave him a huge NO to immobilize the ankle for 6 weeks. “it is not an option, that way I’ll miss the Olympics. I can’t prepare in just 20 days”, he told him and the Spurs doctor after receiving the news that his ankle never came back to it’s normal state. Then is when the option came to wait three weeks and make (the 7th or 8th July Prunes confirmed) another MRU in San Antonio. Manu already warned them once… how many times will he be able to do it?
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    Good. Players need to make choices, and if Manu's aren't in the team's best interest, why should he be rewarded up front? At least see if he comes back from Beijing dragging his foot or not.

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    urunobili, let me know if you want me to translate. i've got some time, but it looks like you are already on it

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    He is a very demanding coach and is on every single detail even the most private of their players: ha has made that the wife of one of the Spurs players came back immediately to San Antonio because “she had been was too much time abroad already and her place is next to her husband”.
    I wonder who that was.

    Oh and @ Stern calling the Spurs and telling them not to force their players to quit on the NT team. As if it's his $$$ that's paying these player's salaries. I wonder if Cleveland got that call...

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    I wonder who that was.


    that stuff is so gossipy. It's pretty funny though. Pop the principled man intervening for the sake of a player's matrimony.

    he started using a new argument and a very heavy one: Gino’s contract extension that San Antonio’s front office is currently negotiating with his agents. The SG still has two years left on his contracts, and on the new agreement there would be two more… Juicy. “There is no obligation, but both parties wanted it and conversations begun”, his agent Prunes confirmed to Ole. Thinking in 2010, it seems a more beneficial situation for the player than for the franchise , that’s why it will be a weapon that the Texans could use to pressure Manu.
    Anyway, stuff sounds pretty interesting, guess we'll find out if there's any drama between Pop and Manu by the first week of July.
    Guess scripture got it right. You can't serve two masters. ...

    That Olympic Gold is tearing our Spurs family apart!

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    Thanks for the translation.

    He is now doing this with Manu and for that he started using a new argument and a very heavy one: Gino’s contract extension that San Antonio’s front office is currently negotiating with his agents. The SG still has two years left on his contracts, and on the new agreement there would be two more… Juicy.
    Very interesting.
    Spurs are confident enough in Manu's durability to start extensions negotiations two years before the end of his contract and while Manu is injured.
    A two years extension is the good length. 2012 could be the end of an era with Duncan, Pop and Manu retiring.

    that’s why it will be a weapon that the Texans could use to pressure Manu.
    "could"
    It looks like a writer's speculation who is trying to create some drama...

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    Translation finished

    on a personal quote... i think this is a little exaggerated... if Manu's ankle is ok by the time he makes further studies in San Antonio i don;t think Pop will be mad...

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    on a personal quote... i think this is a little exaggerated... if Manu's ankle is ok by the time he makes further studies in San Antonio i don;t think Pop will be mad...
    thanks for hte translation.

    And yeah, offseason summer news fodder at best.

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    Eh, sounds like a writer trying to create in a villain in case Manu doesn't play.

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    Extending Manu to 2012 could be pretty damn risky. However, if both sides can come to an agreement on a reasonable figure (maybe $16-18M), it probably makes sense for Ginobili to get that extra guarantee money and the Spurs so that they don't have to risk having to give Manu a huge contract at that point.

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    But seriously, Gino needs to take care of his body. I know he probably feels pressure to represent his country, but at what cost? Sounds like he wont even be healthy to play in the summer anyway. Why put your body through that, and prolong getting healthy.

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    It seems like the media is trying to stir something up. I'm gonna say Manu doesn't play in the Olympics.

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    *grabs a bag of popcorn and waits for the inevitable ducks/CoM inflammatory post*

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    It seems like the media is trying to stir something up. I'm gonna say Manu doesn't play in the Olympics.
    do you imagine Argentina winning it all without him? that would be sick...

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    I'm not too sure Argentina can win even if Ginobili plays against this talented a USA team.

    Kobe, Lebron, a healthy DWade, Carmelo, and Dwight Howard is a very tough athletic lineup. Not to even mention the bench. Not to sure if Argentina has the goods to match up well against this version of Team USA.

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    trade for Wade

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    I'm not too sure Argentina can win even if Ginobili plays against this talented a USA team.

    Kobe, Lebron, a healthy DWade, Carmelo, and Dwight Howard is a very tough athletic lineup. Not to even mention the bench. Not to sure if Argentina has the goods to match up well against this version of Team USA.
    It depends on the Argie team having some newcomers that are just as good as their predecessors .
    I wouldn't be surprised if neither team wins the gold. In the recent tournaments individual athleticism didn't really help the U.S. team beat the international guys (the good-great squads at leats) any better. It seemed pretty neutralized with the compe ive teamwork of the other guys. So I'm not sure one or two guys. Plus, after Kobe's finals performance ...he's not really the "god" he was in 2007, maybe he won't intimidate the great teams anymore. Chris Paul is probably the one who will put them over the top, now that he's more confident than in the 2006 games.
    Should be a fun Olympics.
    trade for Wade
    That'd be cool...but we'd probably worry about Wade being 100 percent as well. Plus he can't even shoot the three, nor a contested jumpshot.

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    This is so not true.

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    This is so not true.
    Okay, maybe it's been a while , but I remember a lot of the Heat' s offensive gameplan in the Finals had a lot to do with picks from his teammates and spacing and a good first step to get proper spacing. Most of the time, Wade's bread and butter came from his football penetration.

    Wade maybe had one or two Jordanesque mid range gamewinners, but I don't think he has any Kobe, fadeaway jumpers/ stepback jumpers to his game yet.

    Oh yeah, and he also had a big guy in the middle that helped him get open on jumpers a lot.

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    I'm sure all of Argentina will encourage Manu to play for the NT. Spurs fans would want him to play for what matters to them, the NBA. If he plays in the Olympics and Manu is not markedly better than he was 2 weeks ago, his countrymen and fans will probably not be happy with the results. Compared with last June, he's not the same player.

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    Okay, maybe it's been a while , but I remember a lot of the Heat' s offensive gameplan in the Finals had a lot to do with picks from his teammates and spacing and a good first step to get proper spacing. Most of the time, Wade's bread and butter came from his football penetration.

    Wade maybe had one or two Jordanesque mid range gamewinners, but I don't think he has any Kobe, fadeaway jumpers/ stepback jumpers to his game yet.

    Oh yeah, and he also had a big guy in the middle that helped him get open on jumpers a lot.
    If Wade ever got a good first step, he didn't shoot a jumpshot. Youtube is filled with his theatrics around the basket. I don't know why gamewinners have anything to do with the topic at hand. Neither do fadeaway jumpers. The comment you made about contested jumpshots is the only quote I was making fun of because the guy makes them when he's not dunking the out of the ball (or when he's not injured).

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    The Olympics are a huge deal to international players. Pressuring them not to play is selfish, imo.

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    If he plays he knows he may injure his ankle further

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