I personally don't have any issue with it, or are arguing whether they are different or not. All I have said is that they serve the same purpose, and nitpicking about them is really stupid, considering everyone knew what Mono meant.
I understand how his comment was directed. But he did make mention of any children, or would be children in his comment to Mono, which was unneccesary. I didn't defend Mono either. From the get-go, I felt this argument was stupid, as was evidenced when i said that nitpicking about the difference between a "key" and a "button" is really pointless and dumb.
Mono meant that pianos have buttons, because someone before that made a comment about rappers pressing buttons to get their music (which is basically true).
Mono posted a picture of a piano and made the comment that it had buttons.
You defended him on this.
Now you look like a dumbass.
But, you call me out on it when Mono said about my kid?
You're re ed.
BTW, it's not nitpicking when buttons and keys are two completely different things.
You're just the dumbest in the world.
Because you were the one whining about it like a little who cares entirely too much about what people say on an internet forum. Mono never said anything in response. I never condoned what he said either.
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I really didn't defend him. I just said its stupid to make an argument on the difference between "keys" and "buttons".
Whatever. You just are now choosing to be ignorant. I'm not going to debate this stupid "key" and "button" anymore, as it was pointless to begin with, and still is pointless. I've stated my opinions, and I will leave it at that, as you are too ignorant to even read any in posts.
You haven't condemned what he said.
Enough of this nitpicking. Can't we just get back to denigrating an entire genre of music based upon limited examples, in order to express racial animosity in an indirect way?
Go back and read the definitions.
Oh look, I have keys on my shirt. I mean, because buttons = keys and what not.
Yea, let's go back to having fun.
Back to a time before keys became buttons.
Mono, I condemn what you said, because peewee is such a butthurt bas over something you said to him on an internet forum.
anyways, back on topic, I can't wait to unlock some doors with my piano keys.
Now that was funny.
So, we've gone from hip-hop being dead to female progeny becoming strippers. I like the latter topic better.
lesser minds? STFU
It was funny and we all got the point.
Oh looky here, i'm "Mr. Sarcastic Cynical Self Depricating White Guy", i'm so original.
Man, nothings tops that sitcom
It's funny that the hip hop apologist are raving mad?
I would like to point out their whole flawed premise(s).
1. "You can't generalize hip hop because most of the hip hop music you here is popular and is made for the airwaves, real underground hip hop is where the talent is at."
2. "Hip hop, is not as easy as you claim. Try making a hip hop album and see if it becomes succesful."
Argument 1 contradicts argument 2. So to prove that hip hop is a difficult artform to master, argument 2 is rendered useless by argument 1.
Another thing. Pushing a piano button will not get you playing a piano sonata from the romantic era.
Pushing a computer button, or various computer buttons can get you to play a piano sonata on a computer, and if you wanted to you could splice the track and add a counter hip hop beat to make it a full hip hop track.
Making a hip hop track took probably 2 days to learn how to do, and probably 45 minutes to accomplish.
Playing a Classical piece on the piano, well. It takes a lifetime, putting in 5 hrs a day, just to approach that master level, and it takes 1 month to learn the song, 1-2 months to get it concert ready. After that it takes 30 min every other day to maintain that peice playable.
Where with hip hop, once you got the lyrics down, all you have to do is casually listen to it maybe once a month to keep that song in concert shape.
Now, i'm not singling out hip hop. But this goes with pop aswell. It doesn't take much skill to become a pop artist like brittney spears. Although there are quite a few pop/rock composers who recieved formal training, Sting for example, you don''t have to be Sting, and by that i mean, have actual musical talent and composition skills to write and perform hits.
In pop music, artist have producers, managers, composers, songwriters, studio musicians, marketers and publicist who do all the laborious tasks to bring you the finished succesfully marketed product.
Same with hip hop, hip hop requires talent. And by talent i mean some small musical talent, lots of marketing, and buisiness talent.
To make a succesful hip hop artist one has to fit an image more than not, there are exceptions, and those exceptions like Eminem, beastie boys, and other non black urban cultured personas probably had to work on their artform more to make up for the lack of "cred" aswell as having to find luck and some business savy and promotion.
But if you're black, and you can sell yourself an image. All you need is to have some sort of charisma, know somebody, hire some "ghost writers" and have a friend work on your tracks while you rehearse the lines to how you see fit.
Not much went into the musical process in this example, the success was attributed to marketing, and image, and some musical competence to shove a repe ive looped hip hop song for people to dance to at some club.
And if you wanted to hit a different sub genre in hip hop, one whose music is more about social issues amd awareness. One would spend alot of time listening to library chock full of rap/hip hop repertoire. they would have to submerge themselves into the music to develop an ear for hip hop, then they would have to atleast be somewhat intellectual to rap about "issues". But when idiots like Mos Def get respect in this artform, don't take offense if outsiders laugh you off for defending hip hop's virtues.
For every Mos Def out there, there is a Common, KRS one, to probably counterbalance the idiocy.
But don't ever, try to say that it takes lots of musical talent to do hip hop. THat's bull.
Just because there's exceptions to the rule, that doesn't negate the fact that one can make it big on hip hop with marginal talent. 50 cent is a good example.
Some of these same arguments I use can go for alot of rock, today, and even dating back to when rock first became commercial starting with elvis, who in my oppinion had talent, albeit most of his songs where probably not his originals.
atleast with rock you have to practice your songs and keep them up. With most of hip hop all you have to do is pop up your tracks on the way to the performance and rehearse the lyrics while you eatin' you Big mac.
Hip is very versatile, and one of the musical artforms that doesn't demand alot out of the artist.
Everheard a live rock concert and a live hip hop concert, they both suck at times. But with the hip hop concert all the dude had to do was memorize his own songs, but somehow he managed to sound way different than his album. He sounds too aggressive because of the crowd noise, and he lost some of his smoothness because the acoustics are different in the open air. But he didn't have to rehearse, and he doesn't have to be in key. He just had to show up. Same goes with the lip synching artist in the pop world.
Inconclusion.
Kanye does not equate to Chopin in musical talent, hip hop does require talent, but most of that talent is less musical than it is marketibility and image.
ever listened to Mos Def?
i'm getting ready for Toby Keith's new movie myself:
"Beer for My Horses," written, produced and starring country singer Toby Keith.
"Beer," which is the same le as his country music single, features co-writer Rodney Carrington, Claire Forlani ("CSI: NY"), guitarist Ted Nugent, and cameos by country icon Willie Nelson and Tom Skerritt.
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