When is hip hop going to die?

[igningokt]

It's funny that the hip hop apologist are raving mad?

I would like to point out their whole flawed premise(s).

1. "You can't generalize hip hop because most of the hip hop music you here is popular and is made for the airwaves, real underground hip hop is where the talent is at."

2. "Hip hop, is not as easy as you claim. Try making a hip hop album and see if it becomes succesful."


Argument 1 contradicts argument 2. So to prove that hip hop is a difficult artform to master, argument 2 is rendered useless by argument 1.

Another thing. Pushing a piano button will not get you playing a piano sonata from the romantic era.

Pushing a computer button, or various computer buttons can get you to play a piano sonata on a computer, and if you wanted to you could splice the track and add a counter hip hop beat to make it a full hip hop track.

Making a hip hop track took probably 2 days to learn how to do, and probably 45 minutes to accomplish.

Playing a Classical piece on the piano, well. It takes a lifetime, putting in 5 hrs a day, just to approach that master level, and it takes 1 month to learn the song, 1-2 months to get it concert ready. After that it takes 30 min every other day to maintain that peice playable.

Where with hip hop, once you got the lyrics down, all you have to do is casually listen to it maybe once a month to keep that song in concert shape.

Now, i'm not singling out hip hop. But this goes with pop aswell. It doesn't take much skill to become a pop artist like brittney spears. Although there are quite a few pop/rock composers who recieved formal training, Sting for example, you don''t have to be Sting, and by that i mean, have actual musical talent and composition skills to write and perform hits.

In pop music, artist have producers, managers, composers, songwriters, studio musicians, marketers and publicist who do all the laborious tasks to bring you the finished succesfully marketed product.

Same with hip hop, hip hop requires talent. And by talent i mean some small musical talent, lots of marketing, and buisiness talent.

To make a succesful hip hop artist one has to fit an image more than not, there are exceptions, and those exceptions like Eminem, beastie boys, and other non black urban cultured personas probably had to work on their artform more to make up for the lack of "cred" aswell as having to find luck and some business savy and promotion.

But if you're black, and you can sell yourself an image. All you need is to have some sort of charisma, know somebody, hire some "ghost writers" and have a friend work on your tracks while you rehearse the lines to how you see fit.

Not much went into the musical process in this example, the success was attributed to marketing, and image, and some musical competence to shove a repe ive looped hip hop song for people to dance to at some club.


And if you wanted to hit a different sub genre in hip hop, one whose music is more about social issues amd awareness. One would spend alot of time listening to library chock full of rap/hip hop repertoire. they would have to submerge themselves into the music to develop an ear for hip hop, then they would have to atleast be somewhat intellectual to rap about "issues". But when idiots like Mos Def get respect in this artform, don't take offense if outsiders laugh you off for defending hip hop's virtues.

For every Mos Def out there, there is a Common, KRS one, to probably counterbalance the idiocy.

But don't ever, try to say that it takes lots of musical talent to do hip hop. THat's bull.

Just because there's exceptions to the rule, that doesn't negate the fact that one can make it big on hip hop with marginal talent. 50 cent is a good example.

Some of these same arguments I use can go for alot of rock, today, and even dating back to when rock first became commercial starting with elvis, who in my oppinion had talent, albeit most of his songs where probably not his originals.

atleast with rock you have to practice your songs and keep them up. With most of hip hop all you have to do is pop up your tracks on the way to the performance and rehearse the lyrics while you eatin' you Big mac.

Hip is very versatile, and one of the musical artforms that doesn't demand alot out of the artist.

Everheard a live rock concert and a live hip hop concert, they both suck at times. But with the hip hop concert all the dude had to do was memorize his own songs, but somehow he managed to sound way different than his album. He sounds too aggressive because of the crowd noise, and he lost some of his smoothness because the acoustics are different in the open air. But he didn't have to rehearse, and he doesn't have to be in key. He just had to show up. Same goes with the lip synching artist in the pop world.

Inconclusion.

Kanye does not equate to Chopin in musical talent, hip hop does require talent, but most of that talent is less musical than it is marketibility and image.

Nevermind. Paying attention to this kind of was your first mistake.

[leemajors]

Herbie Han and Grandmaster DXT made some sweet non-music:

[rAm]

Those of you saying making a Hip-Hop beat is easy have obviously never attempted to make one. Making any type of music sound good is a skill that a monkey could never learn, and comparing hip-hop to monkey's making music is pretty racist.

[leemajors]

Those of you saying making a Hip-Hop beat is easy have obviously never attempted to make one. Making any type of music sound good is a skill that a monkey could never learn, and comparing hip-hop to monkey's making music is pretty racist.

anyone can make a hip hop beat, or any kind of song. more than likely it will suck. making a good one is another matter entirely.

[Ignignokt]

ever listened to Mos Def?

yes, you're an idiot if you take his lyrics seriously.

[Ignignokt]

anyone can make a hip hop beat, or any kind of song. more than likely it will suck. making a good one is another matter entirely.

that in itself is up to taste. you're right though. still it takes minimal talent to make a good hip hop beat.

writing lyrics is another thing, but that is another skill in itself.

[peewee's lovechild]

Mos Def came out in Real Time with Bill Maher.

He was annoying as .

He believes that we never landed on the moon.
He's sure about it.

That's all he talked about.

[monosylab1k]

yes, you're an idiot if you take his lyrics seriously.

KRS-One had a "beef" with Nelly. You're an idiot if you take his lyrics seriously.

[Ignignokt]

Those of you saying making a Hip-Hop beat is easy have obviously never attempted to make one. Making any type of music sound good is a skill that a monkey could never learn, and comparing hip-hop to monkey's making music is pretty racist.

Hip hop is so easy even a monkey can do it is not racist. You find it racist, is your problem, if you're reading it as me saying " Hip hop artist are monkeys", then you have reading comprehension problems.

I could have said, hip hop music is so easy a dog or dolphin could do it, would be impossible because dogs don't have the physical capabiltiy to handle a keyboard where as a monkey can.

Norteno guitar is so easy a monkey can do it, there i'm racist.

[Ignignokt]

KRS-One had a "beef" with Nelly. You're an idiot if you take his lyrics seriously.

You're right, i'd be an idiot if i took both of those seriously, fortunately that's not my problem. KRS One is not as idiotic as Mos Def.

[Kermit]

You're right, i'd be an idiot if i took both of those seriously, fortunately that's not my problem. KRS One is not as idiotic as Mos Def.

Yeah, I don't know about that...

"I was asked about why hiphop has not engaged the current situation more (meaning 9/11), my response was "because it does not affect us, or at least we don’t perceive that it affects us, 9/11 happened to them". I went on to say that "I am speaking for the culture now; I am not speaking my personal opinion." I continued to say; "9/11 affected them down the block; the rich, the powerful those that are oppressing us as a culture. Sony, RCA or BMG, Universal, the radio stations, Clear Channel, Viacom with BET and MTV, those are our oppressors, those are the people that we're trying to overcome in hiphop everyday, this is a daily thing. We cheered when 9/11 happened in New York and say that proudly here. Because when we were down at the trade center we were getting hit over the head by cops, told that we can’t come in this building, hustled down to the train station because of the way we dressed and talked, and so on, we were racially profiled. So, when the planes hit the building we were like, "mmmm, justice." And just as I began to say "now of course a lot of our friends and family were lost there as well" I was interrupted..."

-Krs-One

[monosylab1k]

KRS One is not as idiotic as Mos Def.

[Ignignokt]

Herbie Han and Grandmaster DXT made some sweet non-music:

Herbi Han is a jazz legend, he did many works that were legendery. His Headhunter's album is awesome, nevertheless.

You posting a youtube video of him doing a hip hop classic, is a silly argument for promoting hip hop's virtues.

I could also post a video of Michael Jordan playing miniature golf.

To say that miniature golf takes an athletic gift would be assinine.

[Ignignokt]

I'm sorry if i couldn't distinguish the level of stupidity over two non intelligent beings.

Even if Mos Def were slightly more intelligent thatn KRS one, that would still make one Dumb and the other Dumber, making you whose making a big issue about it below the level of downsyndromed manatees.

[Ignignokt]

indeed.

[monosylab1k]

I'm sorry if i couldn't distinguish the level of stupidity over two non intelligent beings.

For every Mos Def out there, there is a Common, KRS one, to probably counterbalance the idiocy.

[monosylab1k]

not that there's anything wrong with KRS-One, but inevitably the hip hop bags who don't know will try and assert their supreme knowlege by pointing out "good" hip-hop like KRS-One, Doug E. Fresh, and Rakim.

Except when they completely contradict themselves a few posts later.

[leemajors]

Herbi Han is a jazz legend, he did many works that were legendery. His Headhunter's album is awesome, nevertheless.

You posting a youtube video of him doing a hip hop classic, is a silly argument for promoting hip hop's virtues.

I could also post a video of Michael Jordan playing miniature golf.

To say that miniature golf takes an athletic gift would be assinine.

it's more about the legitimacy of the turntable as an "instrument" as anything else. and yes, Herbie Han incorporating hip hop into his music does lend it credence as "music." your analogies fall flat at best.

[CuckingFunt]

If this was posted as an example of Mos Def's lack of intelligence, then I must be one dumb mother er. Except for the fact that he doesn't believe we landed on the moon, doesn't believe that Bin Laden was behind 9/11, and doesn't believe that OJ killed Nicole (all of which made up about 5 seconds of this clip), I agree with every word he said.

Cornell West, too, but I've always thought he was brilliant.

[TheSanityAnnex]

If this was posted as an example of Mos Def's lack on intelligence, then I must be one dumb mother er.

Indeed. Mos Def is one of the most intelligent people involved in hip hop.

[Fillmoe]

Cornell West is one smart mother er!


http://www.zshare.net/audio/141003812043748f/

CRACK BLEND!

[Ignignokt]

not that there's anything wrong with KRS-One, but inevitably the hip hop bags who don't know will try and assert their supreme knowlege by pointing out "good" hip-hop like KRS-One, Doug E. Fresh, and Rakim.

Except when they completely contradict themselves a few posts later.

i don't have problem with you calling me a bag, but im no hip hop anything, i don't care for it. But yeah, Mos Def is an idiot. Being in denial about OBL, and ignoring real bloodshed in order to keep his black propaganda agenda revolving, yeah, he's mos def an idiot.

I'm sorry if you're the biggest fan of hip hop, and you think it's the best artform of music out there. You're wrong, by alot.

[Ignignokt]

it's more about the legitimacy of the turntable as an "instrument" as anything else. and yes, Herbie Han incorporating hip hop into his music does lend it credence as "music." your analogies fall flat at best.

yeah, it's a very disciplined artform, we get it. Herbia Han proved it. Case closed.

[MannyIsGod]

Mono's owning a ton of people.

[Ignignokt]

Mono's owning a ton of people.

I guess those people didn't pay attention to the old proverb, "Never argue with an idiot..."