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    Dont be ignorant all your life, take a day off why don't you?

    I looked into this bull and gave it an honest try once.

    It failed miserably to pass the smell test.

    I'm sorry my taste for bull sandwiches is so lacking...

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    I've always wanted to be a trouble-shooter, but now I see you are not worth it...

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    Don't you see what I'm doing?

    I'm demonstrating the absurd by being absurd. At least my arguments are more credible than anything from the likes of Loose Change!

    I read the material and I see holes in what is said. So many perfectly explainable possibilities that still are ignored by you conspiracy theorists. As for the NIST looking into the matter, why not. I'll bet they poke big holes in the conspiracy theories.
    I'm not a conspiracy theorist. 9/11 was a legal, clean, false-flag military operation. Sometimes people get killed during military operations, that's unfortunate, its all for the greater good.

    You're the crazy conspiracy theorist who believes.

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    9/11 was a legal, clean, false-flag military operation.
    Jeez, you must have someone who has come forward and admitted that they did it, right?

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    I mean, if you are smart enough to pull this kind of thing off, you must realize that you will not be allowed to live to tell about it by the evil conspiracy, right?

    I mean, if someone is willing to kill 3000+ civilians, why would they stop when it came to their trusty henchmen who carried it out for them?

    'splain that to me.

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    "Ok, Mr. Evil Demolition Expert, go wire these buildings with explosives to kill thousands of people, I *promise* we won't kill you afterwards to keep you quiet..."

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    Where do I sign up for THAT job?

    I'm sure it pays well...

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    Oooh, this is getting good. Let's see where this line of reasoning goes next...

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    "OK Mr. Do ent Forger, please fake the following passports, so we can carry out this massive false flag operation and kill thousands of people. We *promise* we are too ethical to cut your brake lines, hot-wire your cruise control, and slip you something special in your afternoon tail..."

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    Well, when a conspiracy is too rediculous for Common Dreams, and they have a debunking article...

    LOL... What can I say. The 'Truthers' have nobody but themselves...

    Enough of the 9/11 Conspiracies, Already
    by Matthew Rothschild

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    I mean, if you are smart enough to pull this kind of thing off, you must realize that you will not be allowed to live to tell about it by the evil conspiracy, right?

    I mean, if someone is willing to kill 3000+ civilians, why would they stop when it came to their trusty henchmen who carried it out for them?

    'splain that to me.
    It's not illegal to kill 3000 people if its a military operation. All you do it get John Woo to whip up a legal memo. Napoleon often lost 3000 men during his flanking maneuvers. Napoleon never killed any of his henchmen.

    The decision to decide how many lives should be sacrificed for the benefit of society should be made by our leaders, not the common people.

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    "Ok, Mr. Evil Demolition Expert, go wire these buildings with explosives to kill thousands of people, I *promise* we won't kill you afterwards to keep you quiet..."
    What's your problem with the Bush Administration? They are not evil, they just want to secure America's oil for us to power our society.

    Invading a foreign country is a difficult decision, and hard to explain to the masses. That's why governent leaders all through history set up false-flag military operations. You're more likely to be hit by lighting than to be killed in a false flag attack.

    I do agree that if the 9/11 attacks were exposed it would look bad for Bush, that's the liberal media for you.

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    I'm not a conspiracy theorist. 9/11 was a legal, clean, false-flag military operation. Sometimes people get killed during military operations, that's unfortunate, its all for the greater good.
    Ths is more outlandish than the truthers. There is even less plausible evidence to consider. You've said this before, and it is so laughable. If we needed to make a reason to attack someplace, we wouldn't need to go to that extent.

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    Ths is more outlandish than the truthers. There is even less plausible evidence to consider. You've said this before, and it is so laughable. If we needed to make a reason to attack someplace, we wouldn't need to go to that extent.
    Not outlandish. We did the same thing when we attacked the Indians. We always claimed they were attacking us first, which is pretty stupid as we were stealing their land and breaking our treaties.

    The elite leaders of our nation know the people are stupid, that's why they're the leaders. Democracy is a road to disaster and leads to anarchy. The leaders know that they can blow up buildings in broad daylight and the stupid people will still believe what they are told.

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    It's not illegal to kill 3000 people if its a military operation. All you do it get John Woo to whip up a legal memo. Napoleon often lost 3000 men during his flanking maneuvers. Napoleon never killed any of his henchmen.

    The decision to decide how many lives should be sacrificed for the benefit of society should be made by our leaders, not the common people.
    It's not illegal to kill 3,000 of your own citizens?

    In case you didn't notice, the cons ution kinda prohibits the US military and the CIA from doing things on American soil.

    Please show to me the part of the law that legalizes killing US citizens in "false-flag" operations.

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    Dude, this is WEAK.

    Keep it up, though, your half-intelligible explanations are worth a chuckle.

    Just don't think you will win any converts to your cult, because you are quite literally ridiculous.
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    It's not illegal to kill 3,000 of your own citizens?

    In case you didn't notice, the cons ution kinda prohibits the US military and the CIA from doing things on American soil.

    Please show to me the part of the law that legalizes killing US citizens in "false-flag" operations.
    There are ways to get around the Cons ution, that's why you get a good lawyer to write legal memos. The ideal legal memo will claim you are following the Cons ution, while at the same time you are breaking it.

    There's no law that legalizes killing US citizens in false-flag operations. That's where secret executive orders come in and claims of national security. There aren't many laws on the books regulating false flag military operations, so there'e a legal loophole to drive a truc through right there.

    They do have a name for the people killed in false-flag operations, they're called collateral damage.

    PS

    Here is an example of a good Bush lawyer, Alberto Gonzales.

    Gonzales, when he testified to congress about habeas corpus said the Cons ution never says you have the right of habeas corpus, so the Gitmo detensions were legal. And Gonzales is right, it doensn't say anywhere in the Cons ution that "you have the right of habeas corpus".

    Go read the text.

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    I've laid the groundwork...now do your own homework....
    Really, what the more am I supposed to do?

    I've seen the YouTubes.

    I've read the websites.

    Nobody else has come up with any theory that incorporates all the evidence and explains the events of 9/11 better than the generally accepted theory recounted in the various government reports.

    Since you have done the groundwork and apparently the homework, and since you are always right as you choose to remind us often -- tell us what really happened on 9/11.

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    There are ways to get around the Cons ution, that's why you get a good lawyer to write legal memos. The ideal legal memo will claim you are following the Cons ution, while at the same time you are breaking it.

    There's no law that legalizes killing US citizens in false-flag operations. That's where secret executive orders come in and claims of national security. There aren't many laws on the books regulating false flag military operations, so there'e a legal loophole to drive a truc through right there.

    They do have a name for the people killed in false-flag operations, they're called collateral damage.

    PS

    Here is an example of a good Bush lawyer, Alberto Gonzales.

    Gonzales, when he testified to congress about habeas corpus said the Cons ution never says you have the right of habeas corpus, so the Gitmo detensions were legal. And Gonzales is right, it doensn't say anywhere in the Cons ution that "you have the right of habeas corpus".

    Go read the text.
    So how did they pull off the false-flag operation?

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    So how did they pull off the false-flag operation?
    easy as one-two-three:

    1) the CIA hired some hijackers.

    2) Cheney scheduled 29 wargames at 8:15 A.M. on September 11, 2001, tying up and confusing the entire US airforce.

    3) military demolition experts with CIA security passes were allowed into the WTC the night before 9/11 to plant the bombs.

    boom.

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    easy as one-two-three:

    1) the CIA hired some hijackers.
    How does one hire people for suicide missions?

    2) Cheney scheduled 29 wargames at 8:15 A.M. on September 11, 2001, tying up and confusing the entire US airforce.
    Cheney personally scheduled wargames? Is that what the Vice-President does? And NEADS, which responds to hijackings in that area, was not running an exercise since the hijackings occurred before their participation was to begin. Oops, why couldn't those pesky hired suicide hijackers have taken a later flight and screw up all the plans? What was their hurry to kill themselves?

    3) military demolition experts with CIA security passes were allowed into the WTC the night before 9/11 to plant the bombs.
    The night before?



    So off course there is a record of their entry into the building since they had to show their passes to someone whilst carrying tons of silent explosives and detcord.

    boom.
    Indeed. There goes your little theory....

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    How does one hire people for suicide missions?

    Cheney personally scheduled wargames? Is that what the Vice-President does? And NEADS, which responds to hijackings in that area, was not running an exercise since the hijackings occurred before their participation was to begin. Oops, why couldn't those pesky hired suicide hijackers have taken a later flight and screw up all the plans? What was their hurry to kill themselves?

    The night before?



    So off course there is a record of their entry into the building since they had to show their passes to someone whilst carrying tons of silent explosives and detcord.

    Indeed. There goes your little theory....
    1) The hijackers weren't told it was suicide mission, they were patsies. The planes were remote controlled ino the targets. Either that, or they paid them more.

    2) Cheney had personal authority to schedule the wargames, that's right. You can look it up.

    3) OK, it could have been a week before, but that's it.

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    1) The hijackers weren't told it was suicide mission, they were patsies. The planes were remote controlled ino the targets. Either that, or they paid them more.
    So they could spend it in heaven. Or paradise. Or . Or they just dematerialized and became one with the force.

    2) Cheney had personal authority to schedule the wargames, that's right. You can look it up.
    You would think he would have gotten the start time right. Intercept planes actually got up faster than their target times on 9/11 once the FAA determined the situation.

    3) OK, it could have been a week before, but that's it.
    Damn, I got you to backtrack with one post. You sure have done your homework with dan's groundwork.
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    The great thing about the wargames canard is that they actually accelerated NORADs ability to respond (bolding mine):



    Representative Cynthia McKinney: The question was, we had four wargames going on on September 11th, and the question that I tried to pose before the Secretary had to go to lunch was whether or not the activities of the four wargames going on on September 11th actually impaired our ability to respond to the attacks.

    Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Richard Myers: The answer to the question is no, it did not impair our response, in fact General Eberhart who was in the command of the North American Aerospace Defense Command as he testified in front of the 9/11 Commission I believe - I believe he told them that it enhanced our ability to respond, given that NORAD didn't have the overall responsibility for responding to the attacks that day. That was an FAA responsibility. But they were two CPXs [Command Post Exercises]; there was one Department of Justice exercise that didn't have anything to do with the other three; and there was an actual operation ongoing because there was some Russian bomber activity up near Alaska....

    These are command post exercises; what that means is that all the battle positions that are normally not filled are indeed filled; so it was an easy transition from an exercise into a real world situation. It actually enhanced the response; otherwise, it would take somewhere between 30 minutes and a couple of hours to fill those positions, those battle stations, with the right staff officers.

    http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fre...anscript.shtml

    On 9/11, NORAD was scheduled to conduct a military exercise, Vigilant Guardian, which postulated a bomber attack from the former Soviet Union. We investigated whether military preparations for the large-scale exercise compromised the military's response to the real-world terrorist attack on 9/11. According to General Eberhart,"it took about 30 seconds" to make the adjustment to the real-world situation. Ralph Eberhart testimony, June 17, 2004.We found that the response was, if anything, expedited by the increased number of staff at the sectors and at NORAD because of the scheduled exercise. See Robert Marr interview (Jan. 23, 2004).

    http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/index.htm

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