Do you have nightmares about ACLU zombies at when you sleep? You do know what the writ of Habeas Corpus means right? (hint: it's not free cable tv for terrorists)
Hypothetically, if the United States completely overturned it's immigration policies and started locking up every illegal immigrant instead of deporting them, you'd have a point. Then, ACLU laywers would line up to file Habeas Corpus for illegal aliens DETAINED in U.S. prisons. You can't file for Hapeus Corpus if you been dropped off over the border and told to take a hike because, well, YOU ARE NOT BEING DETAINED BY THE U.S. GOVERNMENT. You can't say "Get me outta jail!" if you're not in jail.habeas corpus
Lat. "you have the body" Prisoners often seek release by filing a pe ion for a writ of habeas corpus. A writ of habeas corpus is a judicial mandate to a prison official ordering that an inmate be brought to the court so it can be determined whether or not that person is imprisoned lawfully and whether or not he should be released from custody. A habeas corpus pe ion is a pe ion filed with a court by a person who objects to his own or another's detention or imprisonment. The pe ion must show that the court ordering the detention or imprisonment made a legal or factual error. Habeas corpus pe ions are usually filed by persons serving prison sentences. In family law, a parent who has been denied custody of his child by a trial court may file a habeas corpus pe ion. Also, a party may file a habeas corpus pe ion if a judge declares her in contempt of court and jails or threatens to jail her.
In Brown v. Vasquez, 952 F.2d 1164, 1166 (9th Cir. 1991), cert. denied, 112 S.Ct. 1778 (1992), the court observed that the Supreme Court has "recognized the fact that`[t]he writ of habeas corpus is the fundamental instrument for safeguarding individual freedom against arbitrary and lawless state action.' Harris v. Nelson, 394 U.S. 286, 290-91 (1969). " Therefore, the writ must be "administered with the initiative and flexibility essential to insure that miscarriages of justice within its reach are surfaced and corrected." Harris, 394 U.S. at 291.
Of course, in this hypothetical, the billions in taxpayer dollars spent on building and manning new prisons to detain illegal immigrants would dwarf whatever the the taxpayer would spend on any of these theoretical Habeus Corpus hearings. But then again, it's all academic because, we DEPORT illegal immigrants. Habeas Corpus has nothing to do with deportation.
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Actually, illegal immigrants have been imprisoned for considerable amounts of time while deportation proceedings and appeals are in progress. I can't look it up right now, but there was a featured case in the NY Times not long ago about a dude that died while being held in one of these detention centers. I'll try to look it up tomorrow.
Uh, oh. Deportation proceedings? Appeals? Due Process? Possessed isn't gonna like that one bit.
Here's the article: LINK
Sorry, it's too long to post inline.
Seriously?
You're taking the Chinese government at its word now?
So let me see if I get this straight.
The hits just keep comin'
But what would I know. I am a rabid propagandist...
So Random.
How often do you misquote people?
That's a form of a lie you know!
oooor... a form of humor, in the guise of satire.
It was a bit unfair, but you never did acknowledge that the administration might have political motives. A lie of omission.
You imply that the Chinese government is to be trusted when you quote them without caveat.
Ann Coulter... meh. I really have better things to do than to show how full of she is. If you want to loan her some shred of credibility, that is your business.
Do your own research, sparky. Really, it's not hard.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0921299.html
Safest-Mission Viejo, Calif http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_Viejo,_California
Most Dangerous-Detroit, Mich. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_DetroitOf the 56,286 registered voters in the city, 31,090 (55.2%) are Republicans, 14,319 (25.4%) are Democrats, 8,790 (15.6%) declined to state political affiliation, and the remaining 2,087 (3.8%) are registered with a minor party.
You'll find that the safest cities are largely conservative, the most dangerous are largely liberal, if you take the time to research.Detroit consistently supports the Democratic Party in local and national elections. Elected first in 2001, Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, son of Democratic congresswoman Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, has been dubbed as "America's hip-hop mayor" because of his fondness for youth culture, flashy dress (fur coat) and a diamond stud earring as well as his sponsorship of a "hip-hop" summit.[3] Since taking office, the mayor has been dogged by accusations of impropriety although in 2005 he was re-elected to a second four-year term.
I'd like to know what liberals attribute this to? And what might a liberals' opinion be on the fact that cities with gun rights inhabitants generally live safer than cities with gun control inhabitants. Hmmm... It does make one wonder, doesn't it?
WTF, you're the bufoon claiming that deportees are never incarcerated in the first place.
Where in the do you think they keep these people before they send them home? The YMCA?
Do you have some kind of reading comprehension problem? From the link you provided, 6 of the top 10 safest cities are in Democrat states. Only 4 are on Republican states. From the most dangerous top 10, only 3 cities are in Democrat states, while 7 are in Republican states.
I actually thank you for taking the time to point me to your research, but again, the numbers don't support your bias.
They probably attribute it to re s like you being unable to read.
As pointed earlier, the pollution statistics don't support your case either.
If they're already being processed, they don't need Habeas Corpus; they're already getting their day in court. So relax, the ACLU boogie man ain't gonna getcha!WTF, you're the bufoon claiming that deportees are never incarcerated in the first place.
Where in the do you think they keep these people before they send them home? The YMCA?
Who has reading comprehension problems? We're talking cities, you buffoon. The folks who live within these cities are largely Republican, re , they vote Republican you worthless bag. We're talking cities... C-I-T-I-E-S. You learn how to read! Unfortunately, these people's votes usually get canceled out in statewide and national elections by people who live in urban, poverty-stricken areas, the same way a democrats vote would get canceled out in a red state like the one I live in. But you don't really need a re like me pointing that out to you and making you look like a dumbass in front of everyone, do you?
Oh, wait. Yes you do.
Are you really this in stupid?
Don't bother responding unless you can refrain from making an ass of yourself.
BTW... This means these cities have Republican mayors and Republican seats on the state Senate.
Sorry, for some reason I feel compelled to point that out as I don't think ElNumbskull would catch on otherwise.
I added a little coloring and formatting so a sixth-grader like you can understand it. Now, I don't know if I'm pushing my luck here, but maybe... MAYBE, safety in a city has little to do with political parties, and more on factors like education, wealth, etc. Can you understand that? or should I explain it after you're done sucking on your thumb?Code:Top 10 safest C-I-T-I-E-S: Mission Viejo, Calif. - Mayor: Patricia Kelley, Republican Clarkstown, N.Y. - Supervisor: Alexander J. Gromack, Democrat Brick, N.J. - Mayor in 2007: Daniel J. Kelly, Democrat Amherst, N.Y. - Supervisor: Dr. Satish Mohan, Republican Sugar Land, Texas - Mayor: David Wallace, Republican Colonie, N.Y. - Supervisor in 2007: Mary Brizzell, Republican Thousand Oaks, Calif. - Mayor: Jacqui V. Irwin, Democrat Newton, Mass. - Mayor: David B. Cohen, Democrat Toms River, N.J. - Mayor in 2007: Paul C. Brush, Democrat Lake Forest, Calif. - Mayor: Richard Dixon, Republican Republican: 5 CITIES Democrat: 5 CITIES
Scalia, in dissent, practicing extreme radical right-wing judicial activism, faith/agenda-based, not evidence-based:
"To bolster his argument that the Guantanamo detainees should be denied the right to prove their innocence in federal courts, Justice Antonin Scalia wrote in his dissent in Boumediene v. Bush: "At least 30 of those prisoners hitherto released from Guantanamo have returned to the battlefield." It turns out that statement is false.
According to a new report by Seton Hall Law Center for Policy and Research, "The statistic was endorsed by a Senate Minority Report issued June 26, 2007, which cites a media outlet, CNN. CNN, in turn, named the DoD [Department of Defense] as its source. The '30' number, however, was corrected in a DoD press release issued in July 2007, and a DoD do ent submitted to the House Foreign Relations Committee on May 20, 2008, abandons the claim entirely."
The largest possible number of detainees who could have "returned to the fight" is 12; however, the Department of Defense has no system for tracking the whereabouts of released detainees."
http://www.truthout.org/article/scal...-dissent?print
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I'm going to agree with you and add that rather than democrat or republican, it matters more about the last several years of power between liberal and conservative. Not just the present political power.
As a general rule, I'll bet if you take those blue cities, you'll find they are primarily republican over the last decade or so. Include the city councils, or what ever governing setup they have that determines zones and laws. Not just the mayor. It takes time for things to change. It's not who is currently in power.
Actually it cuts both ways. Some of them just recently moved from a long democrat period to republican. I went back all the way to the safest city rankings for 2001, and roughly 60% of the cities are the same as in 2007, even though some changed parties after every term, while others stayed with the same people. That observation applies to both parties. I just think the equation is much more complicated.
Yeah...
Wow, looks like a Democrat stronghold.The Mayor of Toms River is Thomas P. Kelaher (Republican Party (United States), term expires December 31, 2011). Council members are the three Councilmembers-at-Large — John "Sevas" Sevastakis (R, 2011), Peter V. Cassano (R, 2011) and Melanie S. Donohue (R, 2011) - and Maria Maruca (Councilwoman Ward 1; R, 2009), Brian S. Kubiel (Councilman Ward 2; R, 2009), Maurice "Mo" B. Hill (Councilman Ward 3; R, 2009) and Council President Gregory P. McGuckin (Councilman Ward 4; R, 2009).[
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toms_River,_New_Jersey
As for Brick, NJ, the mayor elected is one Stephen C. Acropolis, also a Republican. Oh and...
Daniel Kelly was never elected. He was appointed and then lost an election to the current Republican Mayor.As of 2008, members of the Brick Township Council are President Ruthanne Scaturro (R; term ends December 31, 2011), Vice President Joseph Sangiovanni (R; 2009), Brian DeLuca (R; 2011), Anthony Matthews (R; 2011), Kathy M. Russell (D; 2009), Michael A. Thulen, Sr. (R; 2011) and Dan Toth (R; 2009).[18][19]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toms_River,_New_Jersey
Sorry, not going to score that one for the Dems either.
The score is officially Republican-7
Democrat-3
Thank you for playing.
I'm gonna explain it slowly, so you can follow...
The listing of safest cities YOU posted was for calendar year 2007.
Both Kelaher and Acropolis were elected on November 16, 2007 (thus the reason why their terms expire in 2011)
Fact is both Kelly and Brush were the Mayors for 11 of the 12 months of 2007.
And how Kelly got to be a Mayor is entirely irrelevant. Again, fact is he was the Mayor from January to November of 2007, when the survey was conducted.
It's pretty evident when you look at the wikipedia pages you pointed to.
Obama will increase the number of justices to 11 and appoint 2 middle/progressive justices.
Here's the complete Court's decision:
LINK
I thought the reference to Lewis Carroll in there was funny.
The decision was unanimous, and the panel is conformed of 3 judges: One appointed by Bill Clinton, one appointed by Reagan, and the last one appointed by current president Bush.
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