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CDR >>>>>> Batum
Not even close.
I'd take them exactly in that order.
CDR >>>>>> Batum
Not even close.
CDR is fricking bad ass. When Derrick Rose went in the tank last year.. CDR won games all by himself. This is a no brainer... I would buy his jersey if he were a Spur. .
Quit rehashing.
Blow me... I don't read this forum...I just type . Rehash this beyotch.
Then why is Batum listed above CDR in just about every mock so far?
B/c Pop and the FO screwed up with Beno. Well, here's one fan glad to see him doing well with the Kings.
Everyone saw the potential his rookie year. Then the Detroit playoffs come around. All of a sudden he has problems dealing with the pressure of the Finals in a new country. So you screw with his mind and play an overrated NVE the next yr.
And, then, Scola this year as well. Good job, Pop!!
if I know.
Thats what I believe though, CDR is gonna be a stud.
B/c Pop and the FO screwed up with Beno. Well, here's one fan glad to see him doing well with the Kings.
Everyone saw the potential his rookie year. Then the Detroit playoffs come around. All of a sudden he has problems dealing with the pressure of the Finals in a new country. So you screw with his mind and play an overrated NVE the next yr.
And, then, Scola this year as well. Good job, Pop!!
Wrong, every year in SA at the beginning of the year he was GIFTED the backup point duties.
Every year he ed it up.
As every Beno lover your putting the blame in the wrong place.
Beno screwed himself. CDR is who we should go with if availible. We've all seen him play and we know what he can do. He doesn't shrink from pressure and does have junk in his game. If he can grasp the concepts of the system, why the not? For some reason though, i don't think he's going to drop as far as the experts are saying. Memphis was a high profile team all year and all the GM's have seen him. I don't think a month of workouts overrules an entire season of in-game evidence
ok, well batum is the one euro i wouldn't mind
but i'd take CDR over him too
i think the reason batum is ranked higher then CDR is because he's only 19 years old and has what they think is more potential then a dude that is a junior in college
i too think CDR is gonna be a badass, and i hope we get him if he's there, but i wouldn't mind batum, him being with two other Frenchmen would help him ease into a new environment, and maybe help him grow faster
Both guys look great, along with Courtney Lee, which is one of the reasons that I feel pretty optimistic about this draft. If the Spurs do in fact have JR Smith in their sights, you could argue that CDR is unnecessary because he'd be a bit buried in the depth chart. The thing is, I don't think Smith, with his wannabe gangsta persona, would personally chose to play for the Spurs over other teams, and I think there will be plenty of other teams willing to throw the MLE at him. So I'm going to work on the assumption that the Spurs don't start the 08-09 season with him, in which case CDR is a great option. His numbers from last season are amazing: his FG% was 54%, and his 3PT% was 41.3%, and he accomplished these percentages as a guy who took lots of shots, not as an opportunistic guy in the shadows (a la Oberto). Chalmers looks great, especially his D, But Parker is the Spurs' youngest starter and star, and so it seems to me that the need at the PG position just isn't as great as it is at the swing positions. CDR is also long enough to play limited minutes alongside Ginobili, which would give us a relatively young and athletic backcourt trio of Parker/Manu/ CDR that could be paired with Duncan & Thomas.
Does anyone else think Batum looks and plays a bit like a young George Gervin? Seems uncanny.
CDR should be able to contribute immediately but likely doesn't have the upside of Batum, hence the mock draft ratings.
sort of looks like PrinceDoes anyone else think Batum looks and plays a bit like a young George Gervin? Seems uncanny.
CDR should be able to contribute immediately but likely doesn't have the upside of Batum, hence the mock draft ratings.
CDR, although i'm betting he won't be available
Does anyone else think Batum looks and plays a bit like a young George Gervin? Seems uncanny.
CDR should be able to contribute immediately but likely doesn't have the upside of Batum, hence the mock draft ratings.
Very True. Batum's future might have higher potential, but the reality is that he is a guy coming off a year where he averaged 8.5 ppg playing for LeMans in France. If Splitter, as a good defender, was a hopeful question mark averaging 14 ppg with Tau (a much better euro-team), what does that say about Batum? I imagine even his biggest fans think of him as being at least 2 years away from playing significant minutes in the NBA. If the Spurs were younger, I'd love the move to get Batum, but my guess is they still hope to win another le or two with Duncan.
First off, I was originally responding to a post by Russ because it sounded like he was drawing conclusions on CDR by what J.Rose had to say. I wasn't saying Rose might not turn out to be right, only that you'd get the same glowing reviews from him as you would from CDR's agent.
I like CDR, and I've watched him plenty of times to know the type of player he is. I'm pretty sure he'll be a solid player in this league, but if you think he's going to step in an avg. 15ppg as are starting 2? I guess will just agree to disagree.
If it's Chalmers or CDR? I'm taking Chalmers and not thinking twice about it. Unlike CDR, Chalmers affects the game on both sides of the floor. Even if his shot is off he still has an impact on the game with his defense, energy, hustle, and playmaking.
I don't know if you remember L.Hunter when he was young, but that's a little how I see Chalmers. Only Chalmers is a better shooter. He'd fit right in with our motion offense, ignite our break with his steals, be able to play alongside Parker occassionally, and keep Tony fresh for the end of games.
The way I see it, rookies that you find late in the first aren't likely to contribute immediately unless they can affect the game in more than one way. CDR's a gamer, but if he isn't scoring... I don't see him having that much of an impact on the game. I have a hard time believeing Pop is going to stick with a rookie 2 guard in the midst of a shooting slump, if he's not getting much else out of him.
So while I like CDR, Chalmers makes more since to me because he'll have a spot in the rotation on day one.
The wing-scorer we'll hopefully be addressed through free-agency/trade, where we can get a more immediate impact. Where we're drafting it's probably a little unrealistic expecting to draft a wing that can really have an impact as soon as next year.
I liked CDR in college, but I don't think his game will transfer to the NBA very quickly, which is what we need. I would pick Batum over CDR, because I see Batum as a Prince/Josh Smith type of guy and that would be amazing.
I wanted Chalmers at 26 but I'm starting to think he'll be gone at that point in the draft.
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