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You risked your whole load and hard work on a so so hand that wasn't even that great. You should've folded when dude reraised. Cuz you didn't have . You got used just like the Spurs did in the Lakers series.
I could give a about your poker strategy. Why didn't you hit on Evelyn???
You risked your whole load and hard work on a so so hand that wasn't even that great. You should've folded when dude reraised. Cuz you didn't have . You got used just like the Spurs did in the Lakers series.
Don't mind Sequ, he only plays AA, KK, AK because those are the only "great" hands to start with.
You play poker and all gambling because it's the odds. That's the CONCEPT of poker. My god, it's such a simple concept.
I guess some people wait around until they've got a sure thing. If you've got cowboys in the hole, don't go up against QQ, they might pull a doozy on fourth street! Fold your hand away and save your money!
That's why you've got several WSOP bracelets to give you bragging rights to talk , right Sequ?
So Jim has the opportunity to become a monster stack and coast into the money as a 20 to 1 favorite and people are riding him because the other guy got majorly lucky?
OK, I take 20 to 1 all day versus your 3 to 1 AA versus 98 suited.
+1
And no props should be given to the 20-1 Bingo Dork who sucked out.
Many tourneys the winner is simply greasy. Jamie Gold, last years winner Yang made horrible plays and sucked out.
Thankyou buddy, I have been second guessing myself for even raising with the KJ in the first place, because had I limped, he would have checked and when the flop hit, he would have bet a small bet and then I move all in first, and no way could he call my bet and I would have taken in a nice pot.
But, with KJ spades, my stack size, position and his lack of defending his BB against me in the past, I felt that I made the right move.......oh well. If this is the worst thing that happens to me this year, I am a lucky guy.
No more whining.....
At least your read was right, my only thing is that too many hands are ahead of you as KJ is such a dominated hand. You could have folded and picked a better spot to play a big hand, big hands big pots, kj is not a big hand, its a speculative hand, good enough for trying to steal the blinds or raise from late position but when faced with a reraise its about garbage. And you say you were getting 3-1 thats great but you still have just kj, even though you hit your top pair, who's to say the guy didnt reraise with ak, kq suited(doubtful there probably a flat call)
kq, qq, kk, aa, any pair for that matter and you inevitbly busted
oh well thats poker i guess but i think you still had plenty of chips and should have looked for a better situation than to commit so heavily with a dominated hand. KJ is exactly the kind of hand that gets people in trouble when they hit their top pair. I have no problems with your post flop play however you could have been dominated which wasn't the case.
Good news is its over, you probably learned something and wiill use it in your arsenal next time, plust the world series experience is always a good notch on your belt.
You are right about the hand being a really bad hand to call a reraise with, and I usually dump it under most cir stances, but in small stack tourneys, you have to go with your gut sometimes and go with pot odds and that can cost you dearly sometimes, when you are wrong. As I said earlier, I should have limped and I would have won the hand most likely after my all in on the flop to his pot sized bet on the flop.
It is good to talk to poker players about this, because I can learn from you guys, and I want to keep getting better and better and to do that, you have to make mistakes.
Perhaps.
But by the same token, if his opponent doesn't land that out, he's in the top 5 of the chip leaders and could make a run at winning the whole damn thing.
That's what it's all about, right? Even if he gets a couple of bad beats, if he plays well the rest of the way out (assuming he wins that pot), he's going to end up pretty high in the compe ion, most likely.
I'd still take that chance. KJ isn't a horrible hand. If you only wait for AA, AK, KK, etc., you're going to get hammered pre-flop all day long, and when you go in, people are going to fold right and left to you because you only play the best hands.
Another thing to think about is he said he had been stealing blinds on the guy for about an hour, the guy basicly did a 3bet raise on his standard 3xbb raise, usually when a bb picks a spot to stand up to the button bully he has something at the very least possibly an ace rag suited or a10, small pair etc, its very unlikely a bb will reraise with air, so because of this i still don't like the call, it is cruel that you made a "read" which is a guess and you were right but got crushed on the river, but that as you know is poker. The river can either break you or propel you into a household name.
Good news is you have plenty of years left to play more events, if i wasn't so busy with my business at the moment i would have played in one or two small buy in events (1500) the main event you might as well be playing a scratchoff lottery ticket.
My initial read was that the BB just got some chips to defend, with his recent triple up and he was just getting some revenge because he thought I was your typical button bully, which I am not, unless I have a whole lot of chips and I am going against a medium stack, not a tiny stack(a tiny stack with push all in with any ace) I just figured that KJs is a great hand against a random hand in the blinds(there are over 1300 hands worse than my hand and only a handful that are over 3-1 favs over my hand.
The main event is ridiculous. There are 4 opening days, and a day offbetw the 4 days and the start of day 2 and there are 2 of them. So, you might have to wait 4 days betw your first and 2nd day....that is horrible....who has that kind of time?
Maybe when I retire.
You had me until you said KJ isn't a horrible hand. It actually is. I'd much rather play suited connectors, suited one gappers, off suit connectors, off suit one gappers, and even some suited and off suit 2 gappers. KJ is so painful to play in re raised pots because of domination issues. You're not really ahead of much and while 3:1 is great against a hand like AQ its really not that good against much else of a normal 3 bet.
Since the guy may just be restealing you have to adjust his range somewhat, but KJ really never a hand I want in that situation.
I think Jim played it fine as I said before, but its a pretty marginal situation either way. Without a solid read there I'd toss the hand away.
I don't think he'd defend with any 2 cards. Then again, you're probably closer to being right than I am because I think QJ is a horrible hand to defend with. Also, if you think you're that far ahead of his range then I still think you should push because if the flop comes and it doesn't give you a strong draw, K, or a J then you h ave a really tough decision.
But yeah, I can't remember the last time I cashed in a real MTT. I've played in some online micros to kill time but those are so easy the don't count.
For all you who say his KJ suited sucked, what about Bingo Dorks QJ unsuited?
If Jim made a bad call, then Bingo Dork must have made a horrific call.
And since head to head is only about who wins, i say Jims *bad* call >>>> Bingo Dorks horrible bet.
This was just pure b.s. grease, Jim and anyone should make that same exact call 7 days a week at the far superior call at 20-1.
This is why I complain about poker on ESPN, it's created a bunch of know it all bags.
But the action had folded around. I'll play KJ against someone heads-up, especially if they're limping.
You can't just say that "KJ" is horrible in the general sense of the word. Ducks in the hole (the cards, not the ST Ducks) or a 7-8 suited is not typically a strong hand preflop at a table. However, heads-up, even a low pair can be a complete monster.
You play your opponent as much as the cards. If I have J-8 off on the big, and I see the little limp in (flop comes 2c, Jc, 9s) and check while staring at the 2 clubs on the board, continue to limp on 4th street (Kd), you bet your ass I'm going to pound him with chips and make him pay to see that last card. It's a horrible call on his part for a lot of chips unless he's got an over card. Putting all your chips down with Jacks and a Queen kicker is a similarly bad call. He got outed on the river. Period.
You cannot beat someone who gets that lucky, because you cannot afford to only play the best hands in tourneys. People start dumping to you left and right if you only raise when you've got a flush or better.
Spot on there. You have to mix things up in a small stack tourney(only 30 BBs) If I waited for aces or kings or queens, I would not have played one hand all day, as I never got one of those hands. My best 2 hands as far as pots won were 4-6 and 6-8 in the BB, both times flopping my high card and winning against the big stack on flush draws when my reads were right.
KJs is a good hand against the blinds on the button when all the action folded to you....I just wish the small blind called my raise instead.
So you're saying Jim knew he was on OJ? Jim went with a read which is fine, but when people say 1) KJ is a good hand in this spot (its really not) and 2) its ok because the BB just got lucky they're viewing everything through results oriented glasses or they don't know much about relative hand values.
Yeah, the BB played this hand far worse than Jim and picked a really stupid hand to defend with imo, but that is irrelevant unless everone here is going to sit and read their opponents soul each time they sit down.
He's playing it against a reraise. Sure, if someone limps in front of you raising with KJ is the right play, but what happens when they 3bet you? Do you still think its a good play everytime? Doesn't their show of stength (the reraise) narrow your perception of their range (barring further knowledge/reads) or do you assume they have the same cards they did and disregard every 3bet you face?
78s will have much more equity than KJ suited against a 3bet range because 78s is rarely dominated. Against a hand like AK, 78s is FAR better than KJs.You can't just say that "KJ" is horrible in the general sense of the word. Ducks in the hole (the cards, not the ST Ducks) or a 7-8 suited is not typically a strong hand preflop at a table. However, heads-up, even a low pair can be a complete monster.
22 is never a monster until you hit a set post flop. Sure, most of the time you're starting out ahead but what happens when the flop comes? Virtual any flop you face where you have someone playing at you will lead to a fold.
Had Jim had 22 here it would have been a fold on a reraise. Its a horrible hand to play short stacked. Unless you're in a situation where you have to push preflop and even then its marginaly better than something like 78s. Its NEVER a monster unless you have a set or quads.
I'm not sure why you're talking about a BvB battle with a totaly different hand. No one is talking about Jim's post flop play in the least. The only marginal play in the hand was preflop when calling the reraise. Once that flop comes of course he's not laying it down. Its the nearly best possible flop he could hope for.You play your opponent as much as the cards. If I have J-8 off on the big, and I see the little limp in (flop comes 2c, Jc, 9s) and check while staring at the 2 clubs on the board, continue to limp on 4th street (Kd), you bet your ass I'm going to pound him with chips and make him pay to see that last card. It's a horrible call on his part for a lot of chips unless he's got an over card. Putting all your chips down with Jacks and a Queen kicker is a similarly bad call. He got outed on the river. Period.
You cannot beat someone who gets that lucky, because you cannot afford to only play the best hands in tourneys. People start dumping to you left and right if you only raise when you've got a flush or better.
You keep saying this but I never once advocated playing only premium hands. I simply said calling a reraise with KJ is bad because of domination issues (barring further reads or information). KJ is one of the worse hands to play in poker because of domination and the reverse implied odds it brings.
K, here's the thing. KJ IS a good hand when its folded to you on the button facing only the blinds. But - and this is the important thing here - KJs is NOT a good hand when the BB 3bets you. Thats the important thing to remember.KJs is a good hand against the blinds on the button when all the action folded to you....I just wish the small blind called my raise instead.
Every action alters the hand and should alter your perception of the hand. When he re raises you that KJ should look a LOT worse than it looked when you raised.
The most important action of this entire hand was the big blinds reraise. If you think he does this with a really really wide range then you can proceed from there. But a typical 3bet range from someone who isn't crazy is going to include a lot of hands that crush you. AK, KK, QQ, AA, JJ are all hands you do not want to see and they're going to make up a large percentage of a 3 bet range. A looser 3bet range will include AJ KQ which also have you dominated.
Its all about putting your opponent on a reliable range of hands. If you can do that and you think that your KJ is ahead of a good portion of that range then a call is OK. But even then, be prepared to see KQ, AK, KK, AA, AJ, QQ, and JJ far more than you see QJ, JT, KT simliar hands.
Again, you play your man. If I was up against a guy who played a crazier style (i.e., will push in with 4-2 off to get people to fold and nail lucky hands), sure I'll play back at him. If I have a guy on tilt, sure I'll play back at him. If you're heads-up, you want to do everything you can to demolish the psyche of the other person. Put him in a position where he's either so mad he can't see straight, or he's so defeated he's going to fold to you when you have rags.
Agree with this.
Who smells a ST poker tournament? I sure do. =)
Without a doubt playing your reads is far more profitable than any preflop strategy but the best LAGs in the world will you how awful hands like KQ/KJ are to usually do this with. I'm not speaking in Jim's sense, but in a general sense.
I have a question for you since you say the cards don't matter. What do you think Jim does if the flop comes 223 rainbow and the big blind bets out half the pot?
Tournament poker is meh. I'd much rather have a ST cash game. But we've had several tournaments in the past. I'm not sure I've ever won one.
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