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Is that a fact or just your opinion?
I notice that you said "it is bull " and not "in my opinion it is bull ."
Isn't THAT stating your opinion as fact?
Randomguy asked:
So is getting rid of cars in favor of mass transit generally a liberal idea?
So then if you are right, and I am talking out my ass, I can go out and search a few websites commonly viewed as liberal I should find no liberal saying mass transit is a good idea.
If you are the one talking our your ass, then I can probably find quite a few liberals who think that getting rid of cars in favor of mass transit is a good idea.
Is this the correct way to figure out who is talking out their ass here, yes or no?
Is that a fact or just your opinion?
I notice that you said "it is bull " and not "in my opinion it is bull ."
Isn't THAT stating your opinion as fact?
I bet you can do the same on both examples but switch the word liberal for conservative.
In fact, you should go do that. Take a lot of time on it and make me look bad. Site all your sources and post the links plus a brief synopsis of what you believe the article(s) are saying. Seriously, take a couple of weeks on it too. You're a lifetime college student with no real world experience, you should love this as a research type of a project.
To make you feel even better about it, I'll grade you.
Hope you get an A
The difference being that mine is fact, you are indeed full of .
You're an arrogant . It doesn't take that long, and you make it easy for me, honest.
So when are you going to start on that paper for me?
Here, I'll make you feel even more comfortable, I'll not only grade you, but it's due by Friday next week. You can either email it to me or turn it into my office.
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Last edited by RandomGuy; 06-27-2008 at 10:27 PM.
What a ing bully. Jesus. Wading through these posts was like swimming in a sewer.
Find something that someone might be vulnerable on, harp on it endlessly.
Quite frankly I see two sides of the same coin. You use similar tactics.
Feel free to thumb through my posts and to a similar greatest hits.
I do admit to being irritated on occasion. , I even toss out an occasional personal insult.
This guy has issues.
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It's there alright here and there to be sure, but itsn't nearly on the scale of Mr. Smith's there.
He seems to live for getting into pointless, vindictive spats.
CuhROFL
The coming Auto Trader...
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Say "Gas & Oil" doubled to 5.6% or tripled to 7.4% as gasoline hit $7 or $9/gal, with the effect of reducing oil imports by 40% (domestic drilling won't decrease imports by 40%), the increase in gas&oil is clearly affordable, esp people who afforded super-heavy, guzzling sub-20 MPG luxury cars.
Wow, you're a bigger loser then I had previously thought. Dude, is the old wife not giving you much attention at home that you actually sifted through all my posts?
Seriously, I am actually laughing out loud AT you and personally am proud that I bothered you enough to take the time to do that.
Later bag, I'm off to have a weekend that doesn't involve the internet the way it does for you.
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just noticed too that you made the post at 10:09 and then continued to edit it at 10:27..........20 minutes spent on one post...............HAHAHAHAHAHA
Go out sometime, read a book to your kids, make love to your wife, but get a ing life.
HHAHAHAHAHAH
Here's great graph showing how the gutless American "leaders" have encouraged oil consumption, eg "more drilling" to help the oilcos who will never return the favor.
So the US lets the oilcos pocket nearly all the profits taken from consumer pockets for gas, diesel, heating oil, while other countries have reduced consumption while keeping the tax money in the public treasury rather than shipped to the oil suppliers.
Last edited by boutons_; 06-30-2008 at 11:20 AM.
All I know is that the higher cost of fuel has made us make some changes in our budget.
doing a search of all your posts: 0.34 seconds
copying and pasting the nastiness: 20 minutes
getting over the feeling that I needed to wash my hands: 10 seconds
Conclusively showing that you are the biggest bully on the board: Timeless.
Wow, you're a bigger loser then I had previously thought. Dude, is the old wife not giving you much attention at home that you actually sifted through all my posts?
Seriously, I am actually laughing out loud AT you and personally am proud that I bothered you enough to take the time to do that.
Later bag, I'm off to have a weekend that doesn't involve the internet the way it does for you.
I'd be more interested in betting that gas won't his 7 bucks than where it ultimately ends up. We can obviously handle 4 dollars even if it is a crunch for some. At some point these peoples 4 year or 5 year car notes are going to be paid up and instead of jumping right back out for new car they'll settle for something cheaper or nothing at all so the current rate of living can be absorbed by a single debt or two reaching maturity.
I don't believe that will be the case if we see 7 bucks a gallon. The current America which is driven by middle class frequent spenders will all but dry up if 80 bucks in groceries again doubles to 160. Remember what was once (two years ago) 80 bucks in food is not 120. Double it again and you've maxxed out a family. Too many people in dead in jobs and with more expensive food, gas, clothing and so forth it simply won't manage. There will be next to no disposible income within your primary audience. Sure the rich will still spend but core group of people that push this countries economy are the middle class guys. Everyone is trimming back but if you force them to trim back too much then bam you got nothing. It won't work and gas will be eventually level off for society to reach a functional state. Its already more than it should be.
I do see what you are saying, and you make a pretty good point.
But look at gas as part of an overall picture, and you can see how a higher gasoline price will figure into the mix, and how the prices can be supported at a higher level, without a lot of change in the current price.
Think of owning an operating a car as an overall transportation expense.
payments
+gasoline
+insurance
+maint
+repairs
Total cost
Divide total cost by miles driven, and you have a rough idea how much it costs you to drive to work etc.
You budget,a certain amount per month for all of this.
Gas goes up and all of a sudden, you are overbudget. The short term solution is to not do as much optional, non-work driving.
Over time, you can also cut down on your cash flows for car transportation by doing one of three things:
1) Buy a car with better gas mileage, which cuts your gasoline, and to some extent your insurance payments (from having a smaller, cheaper car)
or
2) Keeping your car and avoiding the payments for a new one. Sure maintenace and repairs on an older car do creep up, but they are generally less than payments on a new car for any given year. You take the money freed up from the payments and use that to pay for gas.
or
3) Drive less overall. Carpool, take the bus, walk, live closer to work, etc.
Both allow you to adjust to higher fuel prices in terms of your overall budget.
The first option will lower overall demand for gasoline over time, and the second option will do so as well, as cars eventually reach the end of their lives and are replaced with better mileage vehicles.
Neither of these is instant, but they will happen as people adjust.
Yes, there are people who can't afford to even temporarily pay more in gas. That will suck, as they will have to make some hard choices, as you very rightly point out.
The thing to keep in the back of our mind, as our economy slows down and adjusts:
The Chinese and Indian economies aren't slowing down, and won't as much, even if the US has a pretty harsh downturn. Their overall demand for oil will be going up as ours goes down.
Most of the growth in demand for oil in the last few years has come from less-developed countries. This demand probably won't ease up.
Faced with tight supplies and global demand that goes up even as we use less oil, there is plenty of reason to think that prices won't fall, as much as that would be good for a lot of people.
I see your point but it boils down to the overall effect high gas prices will have on everything vs. what you can concievably and logically cut back on.
Sure we could all use a dose of reality and try to recenter our lives around being more productive and conservative but even a reasonable family can only cut back so much.
I recently overhauled some stuff in my life and in about 6 months I should be able to trim back about 350 a month in expense. Sounds good and in fact thats a huge percentage for your typical 50k family income. But.....
Say you bump gas up to 7 bucks from 4. Thats nearly doubling a very conservative 75 bucks a week we spend on gas. So call it an increase of 250 monthly. Then the cost of food goes up say another 100 a month, 25 bucks a week to every 100. Then partner that with every other single thing that goes up like its done recently and you're looking at would could concievably be a 400-500 a month increase in cost of living if we see gas bump up to 7 bucks. Thats a 3rd to a quarter increase in most peoples conservative budgets. With no raise at work and for most the inability to handle a second job you're treading into a territory thats borderlining on the average american being unable to dispose frivously of what 300, 400, 500 or more a month on pointless and activities, the very same thats fueled the economy for generations. It won't stick too much loss across the board.
No normal America budget no matter how tight and well thought out could handle a 300-500 a month increase in expense.
36k a year = about 2,400 a month take home. You increase the cost of living by 20% if we see 7 dollar gas. Too much for the average family to absorbed and still be a contributor to the general economy with disposable income. It could take years if not months for them to break free of their current so called resturctured or conservative budgets to put themselves into a cheaper home more efficient auto closer to work or school. The interm would kill.
What does me being a "bully" have to do with you being a pretentious wad all the time?
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